rickbb
09-16-2004, 02:05 PM
CBS High Def sucks through Dish Network ! I have the 811 receiver.CBS HD is out of focus and a waste of time to have. :hyper:
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Ratman
09-16-2004, 02:07 PM
Maybe your TV could some service adjustment(s).
How is the STB connected to the TV?
How is the STB connected to the TV?
kevinw
09-16-2004, 02:08 PM
Are you refering to the national feed?
HDTVBob
09-16-2004, 03:19 PM
RickBB,
I have an 811 box with an OTA antenna which brings in CBS extremely well. The CBS HD national feed is not available here in Chicago or least on my box even though I pay for SD local channels.
I have an 811 box with an OTA antenna which brings in CBS extremely well. The CBS HD national feed is not available here in Chicago or least on my box even though I pay for SD local channels.
BFG
09-16-2004, 04:04 PM
I don't have CBS HD from dish, but I have read no complaints that it sucks and CBS HD certainly doesn't suck (they've been the biggest network leader in HD) and you can get CBS HD from dish in chicago, you just need another dish and have it pointing at 61.5
HDTVBob
09-16-2004, 06:24 PM
BFG,
Dish didn't tell me I needed another satellite to get the national CBS HD feed when I ordered the HD service and 811 box. No matter since I had the antenna already.
Dish didn't tell me I needed another satellite to get the national CBS HD feed when I ordered the HD service and 811 box. No matter since I had the antenna already.
MI_GTO
09-19-2004, 06:25 PM
I also have a Dish 811 box with an OTA antenna for HD locals and CBS HD looks crappy on my Sony 60" Grand Wega. I have adjusted everything I could think of and still no luck. The Florida/Tennessee game lat night was horrible and the NFL games today looked even worse. I don't know what the problem is.
HDTVBob
09-19-2004, 07:22 PM
MI_GTO,
Where do you live and what kind of antenna are you using with the Dish 811 box?
Where do you live and what kind of antenna are you using with the Dish 811 box?
kevinw
09-19-2004, 08:02 PM
Dallas game looked great OTA on my Toshiba and on my neighbors Hitachi. I can't blame CBS.
MI_GTO
09-19-2004, 08:08 PM
I'm in Bay City, MI and I am using the Zenith silver sensor indoor antenna with an 89% signal from my local digital CBS. I have the 811 set to 16x9 and 1080i and HD:Normal. The game today looked terrible and there were black bars on the sides of the picture.
57U
09-19-2004, 09:07 PM
If it had black bars, it wasn't HD. All true HD is 16:9. I just scanned past Fox and CBS about 2 hours ago and the games on those stations were HD via Detroit.
scotty
09-20-2004, 09:32 AM
I must agree that CBS HD feeds do suck! I am in Georgia using Cox HD Cable box and the games that I watched looked horrible. The Dallas game seemed to have a lot of pixelation issues and the lighting just looked off. Later I watched the Miami Cincy game iand it looked great! The CBS game was so bad that my wife even asked if this was the HD channel. So far, I have not been impressed with CBS!
kevinw
09-20-2004, 09:50 AM
I must agree that CBS HD feeds do suck! I am in Georgia using Cox HD Cable box and the games that I watched looked horrible. The Dallas game seemed to have a lot of pixelation issues and the lighting just looked off. Later I watched the Miami Cincy game iand it looked great! The CBS game was so bad that my wife even asked if this was the HD channel. So far, I have not been impressed with CBS!
Again blame is not on CBS but on the provider. OTA was perfect. Lighting was off because the game was partially played outdoors. Half sunlight-half shade. I watched the game of 2 different TV's with no issues and a great picture.
Cox has had issues with WGCL and signal strength. I beleive this is because they use an OTA antenna to get the signal and not a direct fibre optic line like others do.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/ahdtv/messages/
To keep up with Atlanta local reception issues go the above site. BTW no one else has reported poor PQ in Atlanta.
Again blame is not on CBS but on the provider. OTA was perfect. Lighting was off because the game was partially played outdoors. Half sunlight-half shade. I watched the game of 2 different TV's with no issues and a great picture.
Cox has had issues with WGCL and signal strength. I beleive this is because they use an OTA antenna to get the signal and not a direct fibre optic line like others do.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/ahdtv/messages/
To keep up with Atlanta local reception issues go the above site. BTW no one else has reported poor PQ in Atlanta.
57U
09-20-2004, 10:10 AM
Anyone who says CBS HD sucks (PQ) either has an issue with their affiliate or their service provider, not CBS.
kevinw
09-20-2004, 10:24 AM
Anyone who says CBS HD sucks (PQ) either has an issue with their affiliate or their service provider, not CBS.
Or the TV..
So many issues are blamed on the network when in reality it is the provider or the local station having low power. Even poor antenna choices and little understanding on how a signal is sent. Pixelation is almost always a symptom of a poor signal- either underpowered or multipath.
Or the TV..
So many issues are blamed on the network when in reality it is the provider or the local station having low power. Even poor antenna choices and little understanding on how a signal is sent. Pixelation is almost always a symptom of a poor signal- either underpowered or multipath.
MI_GTO
09-20-2004, 10:44 AM
Apparently the problem is my affiliate, who has not been granted a license by the FCC to broadcast HDTV. I can still receive a digital feed, but not HD.
kevinw
09-20-2004, 10:47 AM
Apparently the problem is my affiliate, who has not been granted a license by the FCC to broadcast HDTV. I can still receive a digital feed, but not HD.
This does not require a license.
If you have digital feed , they can broadcast the HD signal. It would seem to me that either the local affilaiate did not turn the equipment on or does not have it in place yet. I would call them.
This does not require a license.
If you have digital feed , they can broadcast the HD signal. It would seem to me that either the local affilaiate did not turn the equipment on or does not have it in place yet. I would call them.
MI_GTO
09-20-2004, 12:14 PM
Called my affiliate and they are only broadcasting SD 480i in 4:3. They couldn't give me an exact date for true HD broadcasts. Sucks for me I guess.
JackDizzle
09-20-2004, 02:19 PM
The Dallas / Cleveland game looked very nice.
kevinw
09-20-2004, 02:57 PM
Called my affiliate and they are only broadcasting SD 480i in 4:3. They couldn't give me an exact date for true HD broadcasts. Sucks for me I guess.
Can you get Saginaw and does it have a digital station?
Can you get Saginaw and does it have a digital station?
akeener
09-20-2004, 03:04 PM
Cant go wrong with CBS HD. I use OTA in Dallas and it is hard to beat.
MI_GTO
09-20-2004, 03:23 PM
Can you get Saginaw and does it have a digital station?
My local CBS affiliate services the Flint-Bay City-Saginaw market and its the only CBS digital feed I can get. The tower is in Saginaw and is only about 7 miles from my house, but unfortunately, they just aren't using HD yet and don't know when they will. I wish I was able to get the CBS-HD from Dish.
My local CBS affiliate services the Flint-Bay City-Saginaw market and its the only CBS digital feed I can get. The tower is in Saginaw and is only about 7 miles from my house, but unfortunately, they just aren't using HD yet and don't know when they will. I wish I was able to get the CBS-HD from Dish.
goldrush49
09-21-2004, 08:16 PM
I too have thought that CBS-hd has looked far inferior to FOX-hd,ABC-hd(Monday Night Football) and ESPN-hd. The Tennessee game looked pixeled and so did the Browns vs Cowboys game. TWC is my provider. The thing is,all of the other HD programming on CBS looks pretty good except for the football coverage: ( For me ESPN,Fox, and ABC kick ass when its football time!!!
gtsp33d
10-24-2004, 02:03 PM
cbs-hd really sux for sports, for shows like csi and others it's looks great, but on sundays, it's the worst. go watch fox-hd.
Eldorado
10-24-2004, 04:03 PM
cbs-hd really sux for sports, for shows like csi and others it's looks great, but on sundays, it's the worst. go watch fox-hd.
IYou are right, there is no comparison with Fox.
IYou are right, there is no comparison with Fox.
splinter
10-24-2004, 05:49 PM
I disagree, even on my TV which displays in 720p, football on CBS looks much better than football and baseball on FOX. I get both these channels through TW cable and OTA, and CBS is better on both. And I also feel the DD 5.1 sounds better on CBS for football.
cpaesq
11-12-2004, 04:14 PM
CSI last night started out in 4:3 for about 5 minutes then jumped into WS. just as they entered the elevator
kevinw
11-12-2004, 04:21 PM
CSI last night started out in 4:3 for about 5 minutes then jumped into WS. just as they entered the elevator
THAT is a local station issue. CSI for me was in HD from beginning to end.
THAT is a local station issue. CSI for me was in HD from beginning to end.
ToXicChiLL
11-12-2004, 04:58 PM
I think CBS for sports is great. IMO, the AFC (CBS) games looks a lot better than the NFC game (FOX). I get CBS via an OTA and I have no reception issue at all..
humdinger70
11-29-2004, 12:47 PM
There is clearly a difference in the coverage of CBS' 3 HD games. It's quite noticable in which game is the "preferred" game of the 3.
This past Sunday, I saw two of the HD games, Chargers at Chiefs and Ravens at Patriots.
For the Chargers/Chiefs game, the picture was HD, but the graphics equipment was not up to the full HD standards. The "bug" (score/time box) was in the "4:3" screen position and the blue line-of-scrimmage and yellow 1st-&-10 marker lines were not available on the HD broadcast (if you switched over to the SD broadcast, they were there).
For the Ravens/Patriots game, the full blown HD setup was there. The "bug" was in the full upper corner (at the edge of the "16:9" screen) and the blue and yellow lines, as described above, were also clearly viewable on the screen. This was the "preferred" game.
It really stinks they have to have a "Tier 1" and a "Tier 2" (my terminology) for the HD broadcasts, where the "Tier 2" game gets inferior equipment. Once again, the CBS bean hoarders have their way. Makes Fox look like Einstein works there.
My $.99 worth ($.02 adjusted for inflation). :mic:
This past Sunday, I saw two of the HD games, Chargers at Chiefs and Ravens at Patriots.
For the Chargers/Chiefs game, the picture was HD, but the graphics equipment was not up to the full HD standards. The "bug" (score/time box) was in the "4:3" screen position and the blue line-of-scrimmage and yellow 1st-&-10 marker lines were not available on the HD broadcast (if you switched over to the SD broadcast, they were there).
For the Ravens/Patriots game, the full blown HD setup was there. The "bug" was in the full upper corner (at the edge of the "16:9" screen) and the blue and yellow lines, as described above, were also clearly viewable on the screen. This was the "preferred" game.
It really stinks they have to have a "Tier 1" and a "Tier 2" (my terminology) for the HD broadcasts, where the "Tier 2" game gets inferior equipment. Once again, the CBS bean hoarders have their way. Makes Fox look like Einstein works there.
My $.99 worth ($.02 adjusted for inflation). :mic:
ToXicChiLL
11-29-2004, 01:02 PM
humdinger, i agreed with you. the jet game yesterday was in 4:3, so my guess is that the game was not broadcast in HD... i guess they deemed the jets oponent to not be worthy of their tier 1 schedule... but living in ny, i would expect all ny games to be in hd...
Splicer
11-29-2004, 01:43 PM
Well they dropped the ball (pun intended!) with the Bengals/Browns game. The second highest combined scoring game in 35 years and it was broadcast is SD :sobbing: :nono2: .
As for the yellow and blue lines I don't like them at all. At first I thought something had gone haywire with my set :wow: .
As for the yellow and blue lines I don't like them at all. At first I thought something had gone haywire with my set :wow: .
ToXicChiLL
11-29-2004, 02:10 PM
splicer, i don't think anyone would have guessed the final score for the bengals/browns game would be 58-48.. lol.. but i bet it would have been a really fun game to watch.
humdinger70
11-29-2004, 02:39 PM
The first thing you should do is check on cbs.sportsline.com. They list the games scheduled for HD that week. (The third game that was HD was Jacksonville at Minnesota).
Nobody expected the Browns/Bengals game to be such a scorefest, but that's what happens when you match up two teams with lots of offense and no pass defense.
Besides, you wanted that Jets/Cardinals snooze-fest in HD?
Could have been worse...it could have been that Dolphins/49ers Race-for-the-1st-overall-draft-choice disaster.
I will give CBS this much. They want the HD reserved for games that have SOME playoff meaning! (OK, who foresaw the Chargers being this good, this quick after last year's awfulness? Put your hand down there, Karnac, we know it wasn't you!)
Next Sunday, the Broncos/Chargers game at the Q gets the "Tier 1" HD treatment. Game will be televised locally as it is long sold out. Of course, no other game on CBS that day, but I don't think most of us in San Diego care right now. :overclap:
Nobody expected the Browns/Bengals game to be such a scorefest, but that's what happens when you match up two teams with lots of offense and no pass defense.
Besides, you wanted that Jets/Cardinals snooze-fest in HD?
Could have been worse...it could have been that Dolphins/49ers Race-for-the-1st-overall-draft-choice disaster.
I will give CBS this much. They want the HD reserved for games that have SOME playoff meaning! (OK, who foresaw the Chargers being this good, this quick after last year's awfulness? Put your hand down there, Karnac, we know it wasn't you!)
Next Sunday, the Broncos/Chargers game at the Q gets the "Tier 1" HD treatment. Game will be televised locally as it is long sold out. Of course, no other game on CBS that day, but I don't think most of us in San Diego care right now. :overclap:
noreg
12-13-2004, 03:00 PM
I have a HITACHI LCD rear projection tv. Because the TV has a 740 line LCD grid I set my satellite receiver to output HDTV at 740P so that when I was watching FOX or ABC the HD signal was not scaled twice.
It turns out that the scaling algorithm used by my BELL expressvu receiver sucks so that CBS looked terrible when watching football. When I changed the satellite receiver to output 1080i to my TV it displayed perfectly using the TV's scalign algorithms.
It turns out that the scaling algorithm used by my BELL expressvu receiver sucks so that CBS looked terrible when watching football. When I changed the satellite receiver to output 1080i to my TV it displayed perfectly using the TV's scalign algorithms.
splinter
12-13-2004, 06:52 PM
Take a look at ABC or FOX too with the STB set at 1080i. All HD channels look better that way on my RP LCD.
