muslenutz
09-24-2004, 08:18 PM
To wait or not to wait for my first 1080i dvd player. Fire away, I want to hear everyones opinion, ideas for any other player, experiences, news and updates! Let it rip!
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View Full Version : Denon 1910 or Samsung 941 - Opinions Here
57U
09-24-2004, 08:47 PM
Neither is really a 1080i DVD player, as you probably know. They do upconvert the DVD encoded material from 480i to various formats, but although there is a minor difference, it's still not HD.
Do a search on the site, there have been a few reviews of various upconverting players. Be aware that most players (the Denon 1910 included) DO NOT upconvert to 720P or 1080i on the component video outputs, only via DVI.
Do a search on the site, there have been a few reviews of various upconverting players. Be aware that most players (the Denon 1910 included) DO NOT upconvert to 720P or 1080i on the component video outputs, only via DVI.
gparris
09-24-2004, 08:52 PM
Denon makes a great product. Many in this forum had the DVD-910 and loved it.
As for the 1080i, it does upconverts as no HD DVDs exist yet, unless you include the Microsoft player with its special hardware and limited software.
As for this particular player, the Faroudja video processing is fantastic using the component video outputs, same was ther previous model so mentioned.
As for the 1080i, it does upconverts as no HD DVDs exist yet, unless you include the Microsoft player with its special hardware and limited software.
As for this particular player, the Faroudja video processing is fantastic using the component video outputs, same was ther previous model so mentioned.
57U
09-24-2004, 09:18 PM
...the Faroudja video processing is fantastic using the component video outputs... To 480P. The CV outputs do not "do" 720P or 1080i. Only the DVI does this.
muslenutz
09-24-2004, 11:27 PM
So I wont be getting true hd through dvi when the discs come available?
57U
09-25-2004, 01:00 AM
No, you'll need an HD DVD player, and they are not available yet and they will likely be very expensive when they do become available, perhaps next year.
The DVD players you mentioned are simply upconverting the 480i signal that's on DVDs. Not unlike what your HDTV does, but perhaps providing a slightly better quality picture because the upconversion is all done in the digital domain by the DVD player.
The DVD players you mentioned are simply upconverting the 480i signal that's on DVDs. Not unlike what your HDTV does, but perhaps providing a slightly better quality picture because the upconversion is all done in the digital domain by the DVD player.
Seared Steak
09-25-2004, 02:14 AM
I passed on the previous upconverting DVD players but now have decided to give it a try. I'm between the Sony DVP-NS975V and the Samsung HD941. I was hoping to get the Samsung next week but just read this review from Amazon.com. So not sure if that is going to happen yet. I'll keep you posted. :sherlok:
Production problems, September 20, 2004
Reviewer: Stephen E. Matasich "stemata" (Canton, Ohio USA)
This is not a "product review." I am posting this to advise of the delay in the release of this player. After getting a myriad of answers from Samsung's first level of customer service, I spoke to two "supervisors" who adivsed that Samsung is having production problems with the HDMI output, and that the issue is now "in engineering." There is no specific release date, but November appears to be the earliest it will be released. Amazon still has the release date as September 30, but this is no longer accurate according to Samsung. Most retailers are advising that they expect their first shipments in mid-November.
Production problems, September 20, 2004
Reviewer: Stephen E. Matasich "stemata" (Canton, Ohio USA)
This is not a "product review." I am posting this to advise of the delay in the release of this player. After getting a myriad of answers from Samsung's first level of customer service, I spoke to two "supervisors" who adivsed that Samsung is having production problems with the HDMI output, and that the issue is now "in engineering." There is no specific release date, but November appears to be the earliest it will be released. Amazon still has the release date as September 30, but this is no longer accurate according to Samsung. Most retailers are advising that they expect their first shipments in mid-November.
57U
09-25-2004, 02:52 AM
One other thing to be aware of. LG make an upconverting player that used to upconvert via the component video output. Any players produced after July, will no longer do this. There was also a "firmware upgrade" that many people recently took advantage of. Guess what - it removed the upconverting on the CV output...
gparris
09-25-2004, 03:03 PM
To 480P. The CV outputs do not "do" 720P or 1080i. Only the DVI does this.
Yes, I know it maxes out at 480p, but Faroudja does some amazing things with its picture-processing, that it seems like almost HD, at least to me.
I compared the DVI outputed picture at a store recently with a the same DVD, same HDTV set with the Denon 5900 doing their upconversion and then, the component cabling output using Faroudja processing...guess what?
The 480p with Faroudja processing won 3 out of 4 times, and by this time, I had a group of customers (like me) doing the watching/voting.
IMO, until the real, true, HD DVDs come out, this will do for me and many others; forget the upconversion to 720p and 1080i-just a gimmick! :whistle:
Yes, I know it maxes out at 480p, but Faroudja does some amazing things with its picture-processing, that it seems like almost HD, at least to me.
I compared the DVI outputed picture at a store recently with a the same DVD, same HDTV set with the Denon 5900 doing their upconversion and then, the component cabling output using Faroudja processing...guess what?
The 480p with Faroudja processing won 3 out of 4 times, and by this time, I had a group of customers (like me) doing the watching/voting.
IMO, until the real, true, HD DVDs come out, this will do for me and many others; forget the upconversion to 720p and 1080i-just a gimmick! :whistle:
Matt27
09-25-2004, 03:38 PM
As 57U stated, you can only do so much with the dvd's resolution in upconverting, because the dvd's are encoded as 480i, so they are pretty limited in the amount of resolution they have.
It's pretty hard to make something look better, if the resolution is upconverted to 740p or 1080i, when the dvd is only 480i max resolution.
IMHO i think you should just wait for the new HD dvd players, For now there is nothing wrong with using a decent good quality progressive player for now:)
It's pretty hard to make something look better, if the resolution is upconverted to 740p or 1080i, when the dvd is only 480i max resolution.
IMHO i think you should just wait for the new HD dvd players, For now there is nothing wrong with using a decent good quality progressive player for now:)
gparris
09-25-2004, 07:40 PM
I would strongly suggest on not waiting and get the Denon DVD 1910 and discover the joys of Faroudja picture-processing!
You won't regret the purchase, just remember the great picture experience!
You won't regret the purchase, just remember the great picture experience!
Matt27
09-25-2004, 08:54 PM
IMHO, i see little difference with the Faroudja chip, compared to a good quality, bargain based progressive player.Why pay $400+, when a good quality progressive scan player will suffice and give you the same results.
I have compared an old 1999 Sony interlaced player to denon with the Faroudja chip, and i can honestly say their was little difference in picture quality, in fact the Sony looked much better, and i paid $200 at the time for it, when dvd players wre getting to be a household name.
Some people see a difference and some people don't, but why honestly would you want to pay that much for a player which is $400-700, when a $100 decent good quality progressive scan player can probably give the same results?
I have compared an old 1999 Sony interlaced player to denon with the Faroudja chip, and i can honestly say their was little difference in picture quality, in fact the Sony looked much better, and i paid $200 at the time for it, when dvd players wre getting to be a household name.
Some people see a difference and some people don't, but why honestly would you want to pay that much for a player which is $400-700, when a $100 decent good quality progressive scan player can probably give the same results?
gparris
09-26-2004, 12:11 AM
I am sorry you think that way...many of our forum members have seen the difference the Faroudja chip does in progressive-scan picture enhancements...maybe your TV or cables were not setup up properly, since you seem to have one.
Incidentally, the player you mention is NOT $400, rather $249. see attached http://www.crutchfield.com/S-NTSmOiRIX5T/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=6&g=54400&I=033DVD1910&o=p&a=0&cc=01&avf=N&search=
I have bought from them dozens of times and never regretted it...no sales tax, free 3 day delivery and excellent return and exchange policy...and it is not $400!
Incidentally, the player you mention is NOT $400, rather $249. see attached http://www.crutchfield.com/S-NTSmOiRIX5T/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=6&g=54400&I=033DVD1910&o=p&a=0&cc=01&avf=N&search=
I have bought from them dozens of times and never regretted it...no sales tax, free 3 day delivery and excellent return and exchange policy...and it is not $400!
Rich
09-26-2004, 02:06 AM
"it removed the upconverting on the CV output..." I cannot understand why LG would do this, it was one of the features that set their player apart (along with the OTA and QAM tuner). I hope they notified their customers that they might ruin the signature feature of the player by upgrading. Not everyone has a DVI input, and equally important, not everyone who thinks they have a DVI input has one that will actually function properly.
Seared Steak
09-26-2004, 03:24 AM
Just to make this clear. The Denon DVD-5900 is a $2000 DVD player and the 1910 is $249 but expected 10/18/2004 according to Crutchfield.
gparris, I'm curious for this in-store test, did you use regular component vid cables or the BNC jacks connection? Not sure if this makes any difference. Also have you done similar comparisons with Faroudja chip'd less expensive DVD players?
gparris, I'm curious for this in-store test, did you use regular component vid cables or the BNC jacks connection? Not sure if this makes any difference. Also have you done similar comparisons with Faroudja chip'd less expensive DVD players?
gparris
09-26-2004, 12:44 PM
The Denon 5900 was used because it was believed to be the best player for the test, figuring that if there was a difference making DVI the latest and greatest, it would show up. A DVI cable was provided by the store personnel as well as the Monster 2 component video cables.They wanted to know, too, and an informed consumer did not scare them, rather, made their day. :D
As for the 10/18 date for Crutchfield, it is almost October, anyway, and the 1910 should perform close, if not the same as the 5900, if the 910 (previous model) was any indication with the Faroudja chipset (which was fantastic). The top-of-the-line model always has the best chassis, etc. and this does not mean the lower end, especially when you buy any Denon product, is unsatisfactory.
IF you want another comparison, I have a JVC progressive scan player DV-SX70, $179, I use for my smaller bedroom HT and I brought it for use to compare the same DVD (Fifth Element) next to my Kenwood Faroudja players, then took my friend's Pioneer DVD player using their PureCinema Progressive processor model 563A, $149, and did the same thing comparing their pictures with some of my neighbours that were interested in setups in their new homes (we live in a new subdivision). The results were the same, at least with the Monster 2 component video cabling on the 65" Mits set in a darkened room...they all like the Faroudja player's picture the best!
Buy what you can afford, controls you are comfortable with and brands you are happy with...it is just that the Faroudja chip does a really great job and until HD DVDs are available (and at decent price hardware and software), this should be a great DVD player for some time, unless you have a need for DVD-A and SACD music the higher-end Denon players offer! :)
As for the 10/18 date for Crutchfield, it is almost October, anyway, and the 1910 should perform close, if not the same as the 5900, if the 910 (previous model) was any indication with the Faroudja chipset (which was fantastic). The top-of-the-line model always has the best chassis, etc. and this does not mean the lower end, especially when you buy any Denon product, is unsatisfactory.
IF you want another comparison, I have a JVC progressive scan player DV-SX70, $179, I use for my smaller bedroom HT and I brought it for use to compare the same DVD (Fifth Element) next to my Kenwood Faroudja players, then took my friend's Pioneer DVD player using their PureCinema Progressive processor model 563A, $149, and did the same thing comparing their pictures with some of my neighbours that were interested in setups in their new homes (we live in a new subdivision). The results were the same, at least with the Monster 2 component video cabling on the 65" Mits set in a darkened room...they all like the Faroudja player's picture the best!
Buy what you can afford, controls you are comfortable with and brands you are happy with...it is just that the Faroudja chip does a really great job and until HD DVDs are available (and at decent price hardware and software), this should be a great DVD player for some time, unless you have a need for DVD-A and SACD music the higher-end Denon players offer! :)
brector
09-27-2004, 01:16 PM
One other thing to be aware of. LG make an upconverting player that used to upconvert via the component video output. Any players produced after July, will no longer do this. There was also a "firmware upgrade" that many people recently took advantage of. Guess what - it removed the upconverting on the CV output...
From what I have researched - it is only on "some" DVD's that the upconversion does not work. I am looking for the article - but it seems it was the copy protected DVD's or the zoning.
From what I have researched - it is only on "some" DVD's that the upconversion does not work. I am looking for the article - but it seems it was the copy protected DVD's or the zoning.
57U
09-27-2004, 01:18 PM
I recall something like that, now that you mention it. There are only a couple of DVDs that are not copy protected though, so that doesn't leave much of a "selection" to upconvert, but I believe it was more than that. Still, it would affect a large portion of one's DVD viewing.
brector
09-27-2004, 01:31 PM
Here is a cut and paste of what I read:
"So far, I have tested the following DVDs on my July 2004 build player and state if they upconvert or not via component on my X1 (3.6 firmware):
DVDs which upconvert to 1080i:
LOTR: ROTK
Last Samurai
Matrix Reloaded
Matrix Revolutions
LOTR: TT
Tomorrow Never Dies
DVDs which don't upconvert (stays at 480p):
LOTR: FOTR
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones
Master and Commander
Matrix
Army of Darkness
Spiderman"
I am going to get the Denon 1910 - but I am also going to use the DVI connection. HTH
"So far, I have tested the following DVDs on my July 2004 build player and state if they upconvert or not via component on my X1 (3.6 firmware):
DVDs which upconvert to 1080i:
LOTR: ROTK
Last Samurai
Matrix Reloaded
Matrix Revolutions
LOTR: TT
Tomorrow Never Dies
DVDs which don't upconvert (stays at 480p):
LOTR: FOTR
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones
Master and Commander
Matrix
Army of Darkness
Spiderman"
I am going to get the Denon 1910 - but I am also going to use the DVI connection. HTH
Rwass1
10-02-2004, 10:23 PM
does anyone know when the 941 is shipping, I thought 9-30 but still not at Amazon
