View Full Version : Star Wars - Widescreen
clw2112
09-29-2004, 12:30 AM
I just popped in my new Star Wars, i bought the widescreen version and when i watch it there are bars on the top and bottom. Why? Shouldnt the widescreen version fit the screen? I checked and it is 2.35:1, i am not 100% on the different ratios, but figured when i bought the wide screen version i wouldnt have to worry about seeing black bars. Should i have bought the regular version? Do these black bars have a chance of causing burn in? Help me out.
gparris
09-29-2004, 12:34 AM
NO NO NO....I have the widescreen version and it is fine...cool down!
Lucasfilm did it in that very widescreen ratio for creative reasons...vastness of space and all (IMHO) and you WILL have small black bars on the top and bottom of your HD screen!
It IS okay to watch this DVD as long as you don't watch everything you watch in this ratio. Your set is trying to fit the larger, wider rectangle inside its rectangle, that is all.
If you bought, say, Fullscreen, the Pan and Scan, it would the eliminate faces or characters to be seen, probably some of the action and part of the picture as was truly intended to be seen. :whistle:
Your HD set has a 1.78:1 ratio, also referred to as 16:9, the HDTVindustry standard. :D Same for 1.85:1 which usually does not show bars, either.
Some movies are not this ratio, as is this one has, so your set and/or DVD player try to fit it in and the black bars appear so you see what the producer intended you to see-all of it!
Please read the FAQ on "Black Bars".
The "regular" version would be 4:3 and would have bars on the sides and you'd be missing roughly 50% of the movie.
///S320
09-29-2004, 10:10 AM
Make sure your dvd player is set to 16:9. If not, you would get thick horizontal bars. I had this problem, and i changed my dvd player settings to 16:9 (its not auto detect). Once done, the horizontal bars were trimmed.
clw2112
09-29-2004, 11:15 AM
I do have my DVD player set to 16:9 and the bars are small, i was just pissed when i saw the bars period, i was hoping that there wouldnt be any. Oh well.
kdogg
09-29-2004, 12:24 PM
I do have my DVD player set to 16:9 and the bars are small, i was just pissed when i saw the bars period, i was hoping that there wouldnt be any. Oh well.
The Trilogy is in OAR (original aspect ratio), which is 2.35:1. This aspect ratio is wider than 16:9 (widesreen in TV terms), and it will appear shorter. Any movie with a 2.35:1 aspect ratio will always have bars on top and bottom. Only 16:9 movies will fill in your widescreen TV.
Oh, you never ever want to buy a full screen (4:3) version of a movie unless you want to miss part of the movie. Full screen zooms in on the widescreen picture, thus you don't see the entire scenary on the sides.
MathGuy
09-29-2004, 01:21 PM
I do have my DVD player set to 16:9 and the bars are small, i was just pissed when i saw the bars period, i was hoping that there wouldnt be any. Oh well.
Well, from now on, check the aspect ratio on the back of the box to avoid being "pissed off". Anything other than 1.78:1 or 1.85:1, and you'll see black bars*. I don't think I'll ever understand the ire directed towards the black bars: when you go to the movies, do you complain that the picture doesn't go all the way to the ceiling?
* I have at least one movie (an animated disney, I believe) which has an aspect ratio of 1.66:1, and it fills the screen. There must be some cropping going on their.
1.66 is close enough to the 1.78 aspect ratio of your TV that the TVs overscan may compensate just enough. The same way it does for 1.85:1. Also remember that these aspect ratios are approximations, not absolutes. Measure the black bars on various 2.35:1 movies and you'll find they vary...
I'll never understand these questions/comments from people either. Did no one take arithmetic in school? Obviously 1.333 (4:3) is different from 1.78 (16:9), therefore won't fill the screen.
Why would anyone think that 2.35 would "fill" a 1.78 screen?
You can actually get rid of the black bars on 2.35:1 movies by zooming, however, then you lose 33% of the picture.
Tryton
09-29-2004, 01:51 PM
I've tried to Zoom the movie on a dvd player and it distorst the picture as well. I do have a question though I hope will be answered here.
1. I put my dvd player in 16.9 and 480p mode, but I can still make out very small scan lines running across screen. Very small but I can notice. Is this normal or does my dvd player just suck. I tried switching the progressive cables but its the same. Some movies are alittle better than others. Is this a dvd player problem? i.e. Cheap?
2. I love to watch OAR movies. but I dont want to burn my tv, what should I do to prevent uneven wear on my crt's?
Thanks
...what should I do to prevent uneven wear on my crt's?Properly set up your TV, vary your viewing, not have any particular static image on the screen for more than 15% of the time, as recommended by the manufacturer and you'll be fine.
Read the FAQ on "Burn in" and "What you need to do to your new HDTV".
It's doubtful you'll be viewing 2.35:1 DVDs more than 15% of the time...
Tryton
09-29-2004, 02:18 PM
so what you are saying is if I watch 40hrs of tv a week, I can safely watch 6 hrs of movies with black bars.. if my math is correct..
Your arithmetic is correct sir. These are, of course, guidelines...
Tryton
09-29-2004, 02:45 PM
Thankyou for the clairifaction 57, any ideas about my dvd issue?
Try 480i and 480P on your DVD player, if your TV allows for different formats to be selected, try those too (480P, 1080i?). Select the "best one overall." If you've got an inexpensive DVD player, that could be the issue and 480i may end up looking better due to the poor deinterlacing. This has been noted several times.
Tryton
09-29-2004, 02:55 PM
ok then, what is a good dvd player for 200 that I can buy? Sorry im new to HDTV and my questions probialy have been asked over and over.. Thanks
jjmannford
09-29-2004, 06:15 PM
so what you are saying is if I watch 40hrs of tv a week, I can safely watch 6 hrs of movies with black bars.. if my math is correct..
Recently all I have been watching is the Star Wars trilogy, other than NFL on Sunday, & MNF. Guess I better watch out.
Eyedox
09-29-2004, 10:56 PM
There are a dozen threads on this forum regarding the same thing. It's simple geometry. Square picture, short rectangle, long rectangle. You can't superimpose them exactly on top of each other. Also make SURE that your DVD player is set up for 16:9 if it is outputting to a 16:9 widescreen TV, otherwise you will get thick bars on a 2.35:1 instead of narrow bars, and some bars on a 1.78:1 instead of NO bars.
You can get rid of the black bars by turning off the lights and watching the TV in the dark too. :rofl2:
Ain't I a sarcastic ******* :rofl2:
If that other thread ever wakes up - the one where we were discussing P&S vs Widescreen, I'll post this link there, but in the meantime, this'll do. Anyone who watches P&S instead of widescreen - here's what you're missing....
http://www.widescreen.org/examples/starwars/index.shtml
mfabien
10-02-2004, 08:05 AM
...Full screen zooms in on the widescreen picture, thus you don't see the entire scenary on the sides.
DVD's in 1.78 aspect or more should be normally seen in "Full screen" mode, not in TW1, TW2 or TW3. DVD's in 1.33 format should be seen in TW1 which is one of the three stretched modes.
You may be referring to the STB Zoom feature in which case you are correct in saying that it should not be selected for Widescreen picture.
