mase63425
10-18-2004, 11:16 AM
I need a tv that can play my x-box games in 720p and I can still watch HDTv broadcasts in 1080i without upconverting or down converting the signal :shootout:
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mase63425
10-18-2004, 11:27 AM
I need a tv that can play my x-box games in 720p and I can still watch HDTv broadcasts in 1080i without upconverting or down converting the signal :mic:
mjones73
10-18-2004, 11:38 AM
There are none that can do that, they can only have 1 native resolution.
kevinw
10-18-2004, 11:57 AM
Do you really need a TV that does both or is the thinking that one is better than the other? There are very few Tv's that do both
http://www.prgr.com/product_sen2383.htm
http://www.prgr.com/product_sen2383.htm
mase63425
10-18-2004, 12:02 PM
Ive heard about prinston and im going to need a screen alot bigger than 20inchs. Ive heard of toshibas lcos tv but they scraped them at the last minute due to a short supply of lcos chips. Yeah I need both for the games and for Hd channels like CBS, NBC, WB, Discovery that show there shows in 1080i. :sherlok:
mase63425
10-18-2004, 12:05 PM
That sucks i was hoping someone would give me an unknown company that had one. LCos was suppose to do it for toshiba but didnt have the chips to meet the demand. DLP is good but can only show 720p native resolution. These big companys give you two standard of HD and cant come out with a tv that can support both of them. :shootout: :stuckthum :rmoon2:
kevinw
10-18-2004, 12:10 PM
Ive heard about prinston and im going to need a screen alot bigger than 20inchs. Ive heard of toshibas lcos tv but they scraped them at the last minute due to a short supply of lcos chips. Yeah I need both for the games and for Hd channels like CBS, NBC, WB, Discovery that show there shows in 1080i. :sherlok:
I was thinking that for the 5-6 games done in 720p. IS it really needed? I have yet to see any real PQ difference between 480p and 1080i or 720p converted to 480p for that matter.
Get a TV that displays in 720p. Then watch 1080i converted.
I was thinking that for the 5-6 games done in 720p. IS it really needed? I have yet to see any real PQ difference between 480p and 1080i or 720p converted to 480p for that matter.
Get a TV that displays in 720p. Then watch 1080i converted.
deckard
10-18-2004, 12:14 PM
http://www.monitoroutlet.com/presentation-displays-monivision.html
mase63425
10-18-2004, 12:45 PM
thanks for the link but the native resolution is Up to 1024 x 768 Non-Interlace (52KHZ) so it would downconvert 1080i broadcasts to 720p
ChrisbeChrisbe
10-18-2004, 01:04 PM
Well, I own a fixed resolution TV - plasma. So everything gets converted to 768P. And games are great and all HD programming is great.
57U
10-18-2004, 01:31 PM
Other than the very expensive Princeton Direct View monitors that are more like computer monitors, there are no current consumer TVs that can display 720P and 1080i natively.
In reality though, any TV that "accepts" both inputs will be fine, provided you like the end-product picture. Converting between the two formats is "easy".
In reality though, any TV that "accepts" both inputs will be fine, provided you like the end-product picture. Converting between the two formats is "easy".
armentage
10-18-2004, 04:10 PM
Other than the very expensive Princeton Direct View monitors that are more like computer monitors, there are no current consumer TVs that can display 720P and 1080i natively.
In reality though, any TV that "accepts" both inputs will be fine, provided you like the end-product picture. Converting between the two formats is "easy".
That's surprising to hear. I'd have thought that all DirectView CRT would be able to handle 720p and 1080i natively. I mean, a CRT monitor's resolution is determined by how its ray-gun sweeps, and typical computer monitors easily support multiple resolutions with no problem.
Personally I have a 720p LCD TV which looks great with my XBOX. I only have one 720p game (the rest are 480p), and from what I've read at HDTVArcade.com, there's only 1080i game out there, and a mere 5-6 720p games.
In reality though, any TV that "accepts" both inputs will be fine, provided you like the end-product picture. Converting between the two formats is "easy".
That's surprising to hear. I'd have thought that all DirectView CRT would be able to handle 720p and 1080i natively. I mean, a CRT monitor's resolution is determined by how its ray-gun sweeps, and typical computer monitors easily support multiple resolutions with no problem.
Personally I have a 720p LCD TV which looks great with my XBOX. I only have one 720p game (the rest are 480p), and from what I've read at HDTVArcade.com, there's only 1080i game out there, and a mere 5-6 720p games.
deckard
10-18-2004, 07:11 PM
thanks for the link but the native resolution is Up to 1024 x 768 Non-Interlace (52KHZ) so it would downconvert 1080i broadcasts to 720p
That is for computer mode this site seems to indicate it will display 1080i;
http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/DirectView/DM6552SW.asp
You could also do some searching because last years version did 1080i for sure, just like the Princeton AF3.0HD it replaced.
That is for computer mode this site seems to indicate it will display 1080i;
http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/DirectView/DM6552SW.asp
You could also do some searching because last years version did 1080i for sure, just like the Princeton AF3.0HD it replaced.
mase63425
10-18-2004, 11:06 PM
Nice thanks for the link but its kinda small at 30inchs im used to my rca 38in widescreen but it says it can display all the formats thats great. Do you know if they have a bigger model than the 34 in i saw on there site
deckard
10-19-2004, 12:27 AM
I agree once you get used to a 38" you can only go up from there. :)
Nothing bigger than 34" available AFAIK.
Nothing bigger than 34" available AFAIK.
57U
10-19-2004, 01:00 AM
I think there may be a 36, thought I saw ONE a while back, but for that kind of money, you could probably get a 40-42" LCD/DLP-based RPTV...
HDBoobToobNoob
10-19-2004, 01:44 PM
You really don't need one to do what you want to do. I have a 32in plasma that is 1024X768 and does everything just fine. There are only a handfull of 720p and 1080i games and it really is not worth the money you are looking to spend, even Halo 2 is just 480p (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/halo2/techinfo.html). A good plasma, lcd or direct view tv would be fine, I never did like my rear projection tv for games, just never seemed that sharp. I am a hardcore gamer and I usually feel the need to have the greatest and best everything when it comes to games. Trust me, plasma or lcd is the way to go.
mase63425
10-19-2004, 06:08 PM
plasma and Lcd are good but they are subject to burn in especially plasma. Than both screens wont display 1080i in its purest form it can only display 720p.
ChrisbeChrisbe
10-19-2004, 08:08 PM
Ok, now I am confused. I dont know if it is fair to say that a plasma or LCD can only display 720p. Isnt it dependent on its resolution? I mean, a fixed pixel display must convert any interlaced signal to progressive for starters and then it depends on how many rows the display has. mine is 1365x768. So unless I am missing something it has to display 768p. So whether I receive 1080i or 720p or 480p or 480i it must be converted. and the components determine how well it does this thru interpolation, line doubling, deinterlacing etc. Now by all means correct me if I am wrong.
I would love to see how a 720p game looks on a 1280x720 compared to a 1365x768. My hunch is that it would be very difficult to see a difference.
I would love to see how a 720p game looks on a 1280x720 compared to a 1365x768. My hunch is that it would be very difficult to see a difference.
57U
10-19-2004, 08:22 PM
Chrisbe squared, you are correct. mase63425, should not have said 720P, but most people "knew" what he meant.
armentage
10-20-2004, 05:52 PM
I'll add my 2 cents --- my LCD Rear-Projector, while GIGANTIC compared to my old 27", does not run well with my XBox. It displays a washed out image with poor contrast that always seems too dark.
480P games look pretty good, and 720P looks incredible, but the image just doesn't feel as lively as it did on my 27" CRT.
Go with with a cheap 30" 16:9 CRT HDTV for gaming.
480P games look pretty good, and 720P looks incredible, but the image just doesn't feel as lively as it did on my 27" CRT.
Go with with a cheap 30" 16:9 CRT HDTV for gaming.
mase63425
10-21-2004, 11:14 AM
I just found a screen that can display both 1080i and 720p in there native resolution. Its a new 45' Sharp LCD screen that has 1080p native resolution. This screen has the best of both world plus the screen is bigger than the CRT screen but half the weight of it. check it out http://www.crutchfield.com/S-PCY4ZyDcJWM/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=153650&I=284LC45GD6
Ratman
10-21-2004, 11:29 AM
Just to clarify...
It will accept all formats (480i/p, 720p and 1080i) natively.
It upconverts all formats to 1080p (therefore does not 'display' 720p).
....from the way I read the description.
It will accept all formats (480i/p, 720p and 1080i) natively.
It upconverts all formats to 1080p (therefore does not 'display' 720p).
....from the way I read the description.
57U
10-21-2004, 12:39 PM
Fixed pixel displays can only display in their native resolution, nothing else. All incoming signals get converted to that format - in this case 1080P.
The same was true for the short-lived, expensive Toshiba LCoS of last year - 1080P only.
There are also a number of plasmas that do 1080P (actually 1024P x 1024).
I mean, if you had the ability to display 1080P, why would you "want" to display 720P? Makes no sense.
The same was true for the short-lived, expensive Toshiba LCoS of last year - 1080P only.
There are also a number of plasmas that do 1080P (actually 1024P x 1024).
I mean, if you had the ability to display 1080P, why would you "want" to display 720P? Makes no sense.
kevinw
10-21-2004, 12:58 PM
It makes sense.. Xbox Gamers are brainwashed (misinformed) into thinking that they have to have 720p for games. :whistle:
mase63425
10-21-2004, 03:04 PM
But that display should 720p x-box games it has all the specs for it
TexasAg
10-21-2004, 03:07 PM
But that display should 720p x-box games it has all the specs for it
So will any Toshiba, Sony, etc.
So will any Toshiba, Sony, etc.
Ratman
10-21-2004, 03:45 PM
As long as an HD capable TV will accept native 720p input, XBox (or any other device) that outputs 720p will be compatible.
Depending to on the HD set's display capabilities, it could be displayed as 480p, 720p, 1080i or now... 1080p.
Acceptance and display capabilities are entirely different functions and varies from TV to TV.
One needs to be specific when selecting a TV/STB/game console/etc. for compatibility.
Depending to on the HD set's display capabilities, it could be displayed as 480p, 720p, 1080i or now... 1080p.
Acceptance and display capabilities are entirely different functions and varies from TV to TV.
One needs to be specific when selecting a TV/STB/game console/etc. for compatibility.
mase63425
10-21-2004, 03:46 PM
thats not true as you can see with this forum
