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AUMMitsu
02-22-2002, 12:46 AM
Have you guys heard of this??

"Four Studios to Release HD Movies on D-VHS
Other Studios Balk at Releasing Films on the Controversial Format

by Denise Turner

Four Hollywood Studios have announced plans to release the first high-definition movies for home viewing in June -- on tape. The four companies will begin offering high-definition movies on videocassette, using the new Digital-VHS (D-VHS) format, developed by JVC. D-VHS is a digital videocassette that will play exclusively on JVC players designed for HDTV sets.

Artisan Entertainment, DreamWorks SKG, Twentieth Century Fox and Universal Studios are supporting D-VHS, and will be releasing movies that take advantage of the high-quality format. Among the first, to be released sometime in 2002, will be Independence Day, Die Hard, X-Men, U-571, and the first two Terminator movies. The companies don't plan a major push into D-VHS, partly because so few D-VHS players are available. Only two manufacturers sell the players in the United States, and only the JVC units support D-Theater. And then, there's the matter of price: The JVC D-Theater player sells for $1,999, and movies are expected to run from $30 to $40 each. Blank media is expected to be in the $10 to $15 range.

JVC introduced the new D-VHS tape at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas in January, and a HDTV set that protects HD content from being copied. They also presented their D-Theater copy-protection system, which is their proprietary security system that ensures the protection of copyrighted digital content. The studios were reluctant to release anything in HD until such a copy protection encryption was developed. D-Theater was created specifically for copyrighted, high value prerecorded content, and it provides a state-of-the-art level of security.

Only HD sets will have the HD copy protection decoder, so, according to its creators, the HDCP system can't be broken. This feature, along with the massive video size, may be the answer to Hollywood's concerns about content protection. Because of the massive file sizes involved with high definition video, trading or copying the content is impractical.

D-VHS and D-Theater software will be recorded in the HS mode at a 28 Mbps data rate, surpassing even the 19 Mbps ATSC standard for HDTV broadcasts. D-VHS's huge 44 Gigabyte capacity per cassette makes it possible for software content providers to fit an entire feature-length HDTV movie on a single cassette.

A D-VHS cassette has the maximum capacity to record and playback 4 hours of HD television or more than 50 hours of standard definition television. JVC's HD recorder also gives consumers the flexibility to record and play back in analog VHS, Super VHS, Super VHS ET, and digital D-VHS formats. (HS, STD and LS3).

Reactions to D-VHS range from "It's a really dumb idea" to "Consumers want this badly." Some say going to VHS is taking a step backward, that the format is obsolete, due to the inherent disadvantages of tape. All the things that have made DVDs so popular with consumers, such as random access, additional languages, and enhanced content will be missing.

Because of this, Warner Home Video does not plan to release movies in D-VHS. Neither does Sony's Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment, or Disney. They feel that due to the huge success of DVD, consumers have a strong preference for a disc-based product. They are skeptical that D-VHS will become popular, and are not willing to risk releasing anything on the D-VHS format. Many companies are holding off until an HD version of DVD is perfected in a few years. At any rate, with only 2 million homes with HDTV sets, the audience is seen as too small to justify a big investment by the studios.

JVC's only TV to support HDCP, the D'Ahlia, will sell for a whopping $6,000, without a digital tuner/decoder, this summer. "

Personally, I think it's a bad idea. Not only would it have less features that a DVD (would have to FF/Rewind, menu's etc...) but its also costly.

Dan
02-22-2002, 07:42 AM
Yep, hear about this a couple of weaks ago. A competing DVD standard came out a couple of days ago. See my post under "when will HDTV hit it big". The reason the D-VHS is made the way it is is because of copy protection. The DVD version doesn't say anything about copy protection. I think the movie industry will take to court any technology which doesn't have really sophisticated copy protection because they are afraid of a video version of Napster.

BTW, of course it is expensive - it just came out. Give it a couple of years. What I don't get is why did they make it work only with the JVC HDTV

Dan

kevinw
02-22-2002, 08:06 AM
Oh my , I can record movies in HD and sell them!!!

With the possibilty of next generation DVD's being able to play HD level discs, they see no need to market TAPES. The recorder/players would be used for watching programming at a later date. Hence if you are going to rent or buy it would more than likely be a DVD.

ZeroDegreeK
02-22-2002, 10:39 AM
So what if I can record HD programming and sell it, isn't that illegal. Why not go after the people who are doing it?

I can buy a gun, but I can't kill people with it. I can buy knives, but I still can't kill people with them. I can buy a car that will race to 150mph, but I can't drive faster than 55. I can buy room deoderizer, but its illegal to sniff it and get high.

Lets ban everything that gives us the potential to break laws.

This reminds me of the casette tape being able to record music, and the betamax vs. VHS debates mashed together.

kevinw
02-22-2002, 10:45 AM
Exactly, the motion picture industry is afraid someone in Malaysia is going bootleg Hd Tapes and sell them.. Hot market in South America for Michael Jackson concert vidios....

ZeroDegreeK
02-22-2002, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by kevinw
Exactly, the motion picture industry is afraid someone in Malaysia is going bootleg Hd Tapes and sell them.. Hot market in South America for Michael Jackson concert vidios....

So what, if they didn't make them so expensive in the first place those people in Malaysia might be able to buy the real thing.

Also, some bootlegging is beneficial to the industry. It allows people with less money to get the video, in turn, they talk about it, creating a buzz. Now everybody wants it.

No, I am not condoning it, but I know it is inevitable. Regardless of what copy protection standard is used there will be a work around in a matter of weeks.

kevinw
02-22-2002, 11:08 AM
It is all about money..of course a NEW Greatfull Dead bootleg concert video in HD would be cool.Even if Jerry is a bit stiff:D

DLeMore
03-04-2002, 11:47 AM
I don't know too much about JVCs new D-VHS tape recorder but I would advise staying away from JVC hi end products because of the cheap Plastic parts they use for their gears. I think DVD recording(when the HD recorders become available) is your best bet because you don't have to contend with tapes jamming and the teeth of the gears breaking. I have a JVC $800.00 S-VHS recorder that has been in the shop too many times to mention and have since bought another recorder from another manufactuer that is still running strong.

kevinw
03-04-2002, 11:51 AM
D -

You can't record in HD onto a DVD.

ghostdog
03-05-2002, 03:05 AM
Not yet, but you will be able to in the near future......;)

mquinn25
03-20-2002, 06:47 AM
I just don't see this format catching on. Let's face it...DVD is the way to go and blue light laser DVD (not sure what the format is called) is just around the corner....and yes soon after you will be able to record on it in HD. I see this D-VHS as a temporary substitute...nothing more. Yes the quality will be good, but it is a tape....and with a tape you have issues of wear and surface to surface contact. DVD is what people want. Just look at Best Buys statement a few months back...75% of their revenue is DVD sales...astonishing but true. DVD is bigger than CD was in the 80's. It is going gangbusters. I for one would never ever go back to a linear tape format. DVD at 480p looks better than the movie in most theaters! *LOL* Just think of how easy it would be to play all of your existing DVD's on a blue light laser DVD player plus have the added benefit of recording HD and watching HDDVD's...it will happen...it is happeneing, these things just take time. :-)

My 2 cents...

mquinn25

kevinw
03-20-2002, 08:00 AM
Great point but it will only be with some type of copy protection.

h2ofun
04-29-2002, 11:42 AM
I have 5 of the jvc decks. 3 US and 2 japan. They work great recording my HD shows from my 169time dtc100 firewire STB's.

dave

           


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