HDTVoice.com - High-Definition Television Talk - Anandtech reviews XBOX360 Hardware!!!Hands on Review!!!!

PDA

View Full Version : Anandtech reviews XBOX360 Hardware!!!Hands on Review!!!!

Matt27

11-16-2005, 04:55 PM

It seems Anandtech if i spelt that right just put up a hands on review of the XBOX360's hardware...beware xbox fan's, you will be a bit surprised. :sobbing:

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/sh...aspx?i=2610&p=7

There are 48 shader units in the Xbox 360 GPU, but given that we're dealing with a unified shader architecture, you can't compare that number directly to the 24 shader pipelines of the Geforce 7800 GTX for example.We roughly estimated the power of the Xbox 360 GPU to be similar to that of a 24-pipeline ATI R420 GPU.

The R420 was the Radeon X800 from last year, So much for the Xenos being the most powerful GPU available.

spottedfool

11-16-2005, 08:51 PM

Hey Fanboy...can you provide a working link please?

Matt27

11-16-2005, 09:35 PM

It works just click on the other link on the refresh page.

It's kind of sad since my PC surpasses the XBOX360 when i was hoping it was the opposite.

Lemmings in denial.

newf

11-16-2005, 10:20 PM

here's a quote on your artical I enjoyed, Annand talks ****, he is pro nvidia and he is caught in this web of fact-fabrication.

newf

11-16-2005, 10:23 PM

here's another for ya,I dunno why they compare cards.

The 48 pipelines cannot be compare to normal GPU pipelines because they are a bit different.

Normal pipelines can only specialize in one thing, but do it well. The Xenos' pipelines can do multiple things, but not quite as good.

Comparing the cards though, I think they're off a bit. Unless the card they compared it to is a super beefed up 512mb GPU that is awesomely powerful.

Matt27

11-17-2005, 12:14 AM

what they reviewed is exactly the console you will be playing very soon come the 22nd.

what you see is what you get, I did'nt review it, but Anandtech is a very reliable source.

Next gen starts with the PS3, and the more i hear about it the more i beleive it.It's a striking coincidence since Peter Moore did the same exact marketing with the dreamcast as he is now with the Flopbox180.XBOX360 will go the way of the dreamcast no doubt.If anybody wants to make a bet i'll gladly bet you:)

max

11-17-2005, 01:32 AM

your getting funny Matt!

read the IGN, Gamestop & 1up reviews of Call of duty 2 and project gotham 3.

They are saying Call of duty when properly set up looks and play better than it does on even the most advanced PC's!

Both games got steller reviews between 9's and a perfect 10... If the professionals are blown away by the game performance when it hasn't even reached close to it's peak, Do you really think anyone cares about your one-sided narrow minded pointless opinions? If you actually think the Xbox will go the way of dreamcast you are nuts.

I will take you up on your bet! I will bet you $1000 US that the Xbox is still thriving a year from now. Then I will bet you $2500 it is still thriving a year from then. If you have the money let's do it.

Both the PS3 and Xbox360 have their place. Xbox will have sold millions of units before the PS3 hits a shelf, It wont be going anywhere...

You are starting to sound a little.......... well I wont go there.

MAX,

mikehbkwm

11-17-2005, 02:10 PM

Max Im right there with you. Matt you really need to lay off the kool aid. I will bet that the 360 will not go down like the dreamcast. I was at Walmart the other day playing Call of Duty 2 and was blown away by the lighting, shading, graphics and everything about it. Sorry, but you can call it the flopbox all you want but the 360 will be anything but a flop.

Matt27

11-17-2005, 03:55 PM

I will admit i am the biggest Playstation fanboy you will ever meet,just to get that out of the way if you have been to other forums lately you would understand what i've been talking about.but as it is i will just shut my mouth since it's useless arguing about the xbox360.

But if it flops... well i'll be sure to make a thread on how much everybody has been owned!! :cool:

Untill now i think i'll just concentrate on the HDTV aspect of this forum and not my biased Playstation side.

:guiny:

spottedfool

11-17-2005, 04:35 PM

It wont flop..and neither will the PS3. I have a feeling the revolution may do as well but if you think the 360 will flop..your crazy

Matt27

11-17-2005, 05:24 PM

It wont flop..and neither will the PS3. I have a feeling the revolution may do as well but if you think the 360 will flop..your crazy

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175860,00.html

Lol... that was funny... !!

___And now this from the New York Post:___

Save your cash, and skip the frenzy. Here are five reasons you should say "game over" to the Xbox 360:

* Price
- The Xbox 360 comes in two versions: the hard drive-less "core" system
for $299 and the premium package for $399. But those who buy the
lower-cost version are in for a surprise - they won't be able to play
any of the Xbox games they already own.

"A lot of parents who
go out and buy the $300 system because they can't afford the $400
system, will have kids who aren't going to able to play Halo or Halo 2
because backwards compatibility is going to be on the hard drive," says
Brian D. Crecente, editor of kotaku.com, a gaming news blog.

* Lack of games
- Microsoft has announced there will be 200 backwards compatible games
(including Forza Motorsport and Halo 2), but only 19 launch titles for
the 360. Only a handful are exclusives.

And popular new games, like 50 Cent: Bulletproof and The Warriors won't play on the 360 at all.

Douglass
Perry, editor in chief of the Xbox channel on IGN, says, "If you can
wait, the second wave of games [due next year] are going to give
developers the chance to really show us next generation gaming in the
truest sense."

* No competition - Sure, you could rush
out and drop hundreds on the 360, but we have no idea what the next-gen
PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Revolution are going to be capable of doing.
Both of those systems are due next year, and will surely spark a mini
price war with the Xbox 360.

* Hidden costs - Right now,
the Xbox 360's stunning graphics is it's biggest selling point, but to
take advantage of it, you'll need to invest in a high-definition TV -
tacking on an extra couple hundred bucks, at least.

"We've all
heard Microsoft basically saying that if you want to get an HDTV, the
360 is going to be the thing that makes you go out and get one,"
Crecente says. "Most of us dismissed that, but I swear, it's like they
designed the 360 to make your TV look bad if you don't have HDTV."

And if you add peripherals, such as the ability to play games over the Internet, and the Xbox 360 costs nearly $600!

* Older consoles are not dead yet
- Both the original Xbox and the PS2 are selling for $149, with the
GameCube coming in at a mere $99 - in all cases, a complete steal
compared to the Xbox 360.

You could take the money you saved
and put it towards buying all the systems plus a whole bunch of great
games like The Warriors.

Although he's a firm believer in the
Xbox 360, Perry says, "If you buy a PS2 or an Xbox now, you're buying a
system at the end of its lifestyle, when some of the best games are
showing up."
---------

NY Post - Don't Buy the XBox 360
________________________________

And now this, Here's PD0 INGAME FOOTAGE LMAO :rofl2:
http://media.putfile.com/perfect1711gp1

And now this just came up!
______________________

http://www.ferrago.com/story/6880

The high-definition revolution may begin stateside next week and in Europe come December 2nd, but today's news casts doubt over the resolution flagship racer Project Gotham 3 will be delivering to our screens. Whilst Redmond has previously claimed that all games will come in 720p and 1080i flavours, for the first time giving HD TV gamers something to cheer about, PGR3's output has some ambiguity hanging over it. A poster on developer Bizarre's website claimed that while writing a review of the new game he had been grabbing shots directly from the system, which were delivered in 1024x600 resolution. The poster, 'Moonface', stated that having grabbed shots from previous Xbox 360 games, the resolution outputting was 1280x720. Despite this, the image still fills the screen, leaving the poster to question the 'HD' truth behind PGR3.

That said, Moonface adds that the new Gotham Racing "does look better than any other game I've ever seen," despite the apparently lower resolution than expected. Bizarre have failed to respond to the post in the forums, and are also avoiding press calls for comment. A Microsoft representative did however speak, stating "What is going on behind the scenes in the code or the HW to get the incredible visuals for Xbox 360 is not what gamers care about" when pressed by UK site Eurogamer.net.

"Xbox 360 gives developers incredible flexibility to create the stunning hi-def images that gamers are currently enjoying. Different developers select different combinations of techniques to produce those amazing graphics, but it's only the output that matters."

Hey Lemmings, remember how you are bashing the PS3 becuse it doesn't have standard 720p+ on all games? M$ lied to you. Games can be rendered at any resolution and just upconvert. Hardly HD

And upconverting does not make the picture look perfect. Try taking an image on the computer and stretching it, doesn't look so great now, does it.

And this is the game that lemmings have been hyping about the awesome graphics, how it's "AMAZING!!!" that you can see all those people in the audience cheering without a slowdown. Do we realize that it's not only running at 30fps, it's not even at 720p

TLHBO

Oh well, they can always pay $2.00 to download a wallpaper

XBOX360 being a success with all this media?....Highly Doubtful :mic:

Can You say Dreamcast :rofl2:

spottedfool

11-17-2005, 06:38 PM

Not to be a pain in the ass but another post of yours showed your were planning on buying the 360? now you hate it and hope doom....contradictions..i love them

Matt27

11-17-2005, 06:53 PM

Not to be a pain in the ass but another post of yours showed your were planning on buying the 360? now you hate it and hope doom....contradictions..i love them

Don't get me wrong, we need the competition that's how we get great games, but the way microsoft is going with this thing it's not looking good.

I don't want it to flop but that's the way it's going.True i did want the xbox360 at first untill i got a hands on approach and was left unimpressed.THe games looked good in 720p but not enough to warrant $400 for the premium version, no way!

There games can barely do 60FPS and i thought every game would be 60FPS for next gen,come on people this is next gen now!One of XBOX360's best launch titles is only 30fps and barely 720p resolution, what a joke!

p.s. did you see the Perfect Dark 0 video?Just horrible..looks like an xboxgame,and the AI,lol it's insulting.lol...

And "Killtastic" come on now,lol lame!!!!

"If you check todays paper you will probably find more info on XBOX360,especially tonights "FOX NEWS channel" and the "New York Post"

This is really going to hurt microsoft, i can see steve balmer now throwing chairs around in such a pissed off mood.

Matt27

11-17-2005, 07:19 PM

Now even on CNN News the XBOX360 get's a lot of attention!

http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/17/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

"NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - For gaming's most enthusiastic fans, the question of whether to get an Xbox 360 was answered long ago. It would be the first entry in the next generation and a status symbol amongst their friends. But is there a reason for the rest of the world - gaming or otherwise - to rush stores?

The short answer: Not on Day One. "

"when it comes to must-have games, the Xbox 360 falls short. While there are several good - and even very good - titles that will be available at launch, there's nothing truly great. "

"Most of the launch games offer little more than slight graphic advancements than versions found on other systems (including the original Xbox). Only a couple of titles are exclusive to Xbox 360 (that is, they can't be played on any other machine). And none offer any true gameplay advancements. At best, you'll see a couple of interesting tweaks."

"Don't misunderstand these criticisms. The Xbox 360 is a truly impressive machine and shows an enormous amount of potential for the years to come. There are titles in development that seem to have the potential to be true blockbusters – and the clever use of a proprietary online marketplace opens up the possibility of innovation. It's just not happening yet. "

"If you're a more casual fan, it's probably worth waiting a bit. In a holiday season where dollars are tight and supply will be fairly low, it's hard to justify the stress you'll face and the price you'll pay for Xbox 360. "

spottedfool

11-17-2005, 10:04 PM

I and getting a 360 for sure and am considering the PS3. The one thing that boils the decision for me is the game selection. I just enjoy the game play better on the xbox. Rainbow six 3's etc. I tried to play Socom and hated it but thats just me. I am sure they will do well and the 3 main systems will never flop to the point of non existence. They will all be around for years to come. And with me playing the 360 and you the PS3...none of will see a differnce at all unless were playing side by side

max

11-17-2005, 11:23 PM

max

11-17-2005, 11:42 PM

Matt here is something just for you.

Other media outlets are taking a different stance than fox,

Quote:
What's been seen and heard makes the sleek, new Xbox definitely seem worthy. Many Internet sites offer tech demos of the Xbox 360's power, and kiosks of the console and games are cropping up in stores. The tech mag Popular Science calls it the "Top Tech Home Innovation of 2005" for its ability to sync with PC owners who have Windows Media Center software and play tunes off portable music players such as iPods.

The sheer power of the system shows through in many of the games available at the system's launch (for about $50 or $60 apiece). Project Gotham Racing 3, the WWII shooter Call of Duty 2, and the action-adventure game Kameo all look amazing. We also advise HDTV owners to wear a bib. Large amounts of drool are in store for you.

Go head over to the AVS forums and see what other reviewers are saying about the reviews you posted! It's funny how you have all the faith in the world cause some chick named MAXINE SHEN from fox who most likely doesn't own any game system for herself says you should go buy a fifty cent game, cause the Xbox360 is too expensive. like $400 is going to break the bank or something.

MAX,

Matt27

11-18-2005, 12:22 AM

No offense but at AVS forums they are all XBOX fanboys, so of coarse they are going to give positive advice.

I think what i'm trying to imply to everyone is don't get the xbox360 now, because it's not worth it for only a slight graphical upgrade from currnet gen consoles..not worth the $400 IMO.If i were going to even consider the xbox360 i would probably weait untill all 3 consoles are out before i make the decision.That way better games will be out and the console will be cheaper.

Yes my point is don't buy 360 now since it's not worth it right now since the good games are going to be availabe mid 2006.

Matt27

11-18-2005, 12:27 AM

spottedfool

11-18-2005, 12:36 AM

Matt27

11-18-2005, 12:37 AM

For me it is all about DOA4, I would buy the system just for that game! I have always loved the DOA series so I am happy as hell I will get a new one in a couple of days.

DOA Series + Tenchu Series = Me happy for a long time!!!!

Keep trying to convince others Matt, they are all listening! Everyone is waiting for you to tell them what games they should buy. Considering your ISF experience and vast knowledge of all things not even out yet, I think I will consult you on all of my future purchases. Just to make sure I dont make the mistake of buying something that is going to be an excellent product and make me happy for years to come. I wouldn't want to do that again...

MAX,

Well i'm not ISF certified but i do know a lot about the sony service menu's and sony sets in particular,but that's about it really.To tell you the truth you could have done alot of what the ISF guy did to your set by yourself since it's pretty easy like getting rid of red push,balancing the colors,fixing the black level on each input,turning off any edge enhancements and disabling VSM completely all could have been done easily by yourself without the $200-300 ISF fee.But since you insulted me don't expect me to give you any sony tips.I'm a Japanese-American 22 years old and i probably know a lot more about the sony stuff than you would since that's what a grew up with.

I did'nt insult you so don't insult me,i did'nt mean to flame just wanted to let some people know since there are a lot of people i know that have canceled there pre-orders and going to wait untill all three come out to make a decision which i think is a good idea.

Matt27

11-18-2005, 12:42 AM

I think its funny you are all making these dumbass fanboy remarks...not one person has seen the PS3 or the Revolution yet your talking as if they are god next to the XBOX..which you havent played either..not til next week anyhow

Exactly!

I'm just trying to let people know that they should'nt just go out and buy xbox360 just yet since there are'nt any good titles yet that really show it off to warrant the $400 purchase price.I'm with you Spottedfool, if i were max i would wait untill all three consoles are out next year then i can make a comparison and see which one i want.By the the xbox360 will be cheaper and the games will be more better.

Matt27

11-18-2005, 12:44 AM

max

11-18-2005, 01:16 AM

also max did you even see the PD0 video i posted it's god awefull!

I'm not stopping you from getting what you want, so sure go ahead and buy it, but you will be stuck with a bunch of AA titles.The good games are coming out next year,in which they will really show off the xbox360 power.But if you want to waste your money now go ahead, if it was me i would just wait for a price drop and get it next year instead.There are still a ton of great games coming to the xbox and PS2 so i'm in no hurry yet.

Have fun!

How can you say that the games that are coming out are AA, you post your opinion which would be fine if you didn't try to impose it on others. If you dont like the games that are coming out that is O.K, but my favorite game happens to be a launch title {DOA4} anhd I happen to love Call Of Duty, plus me and a few friends even like playing Tiger Woods on a friday night. Need for speed has always been a good game in my eye's, so I really dont see your point. This next weekend, me and a few friends will be all playing Madden 06' and having a blast.

MAX,

max

11-18-2005, 01:19 AM

No offense but at AVS forums they are all XBOX fanboys, so of coarse they are going to give positive advice.

So you believe what some Non-gaming female from Fox has to say, and then you come here and post it like we should all obey her videogame wisdom. but other people who are heavily involved in gaming like ourselves are all just fanboys? gimme a break.

MAX,

max

11-18-2005, 01:21 AM

.I'm with you Spottedfool, if i were max i would wait untill all three consoles are out next year then i can make a comparison and see which one i want.By the the xbox360 will be cheaper and the games will be more better.

Why would I wait, I know Xbox360 has exclusive games that I love that will not be on PS3, and when the PS3 comes out you can bet I will have a pre-order for that to... Why would I waste a year to save a hundred bucks on the Xbox360? to me it is worth the extra money to have fun for the 52 weeks to come.

MAX,

max

11-18-2005, 01:26 AM

Link? :boo2:

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/bown2005/homeentertainment/index.html

here is a link to the award, go buy the magazine for the read up.

MAX,

max

11-18-2005, 01:35 AM

Well i'm not ISF certified but i do know a lot about the sony service menu's and sony sets in particular,but that's about it really.To tell you the truth you could have done alot of what the ISF guy did to your set by yourself since it's pretty easy like getting rid of red push,balancing the colors,fixing the black level on each input,turning off any edge enhancements and disabling VSM completely all could have been done easily by yourself without the $200-300 ISF fee.But since you insulted me don't expect me to give you any sony tips.I'm a Japanese-American 22 years old and i probably know a lot more about the sony stuff than you would since that's what a grew up with.

Well the service menu's in the SXRD sets are completely redone so I wouldn't ask you for tips, and I could not have done alot of what my ISF guy did because I wouldn't have had the Sencore equipment to get it all perfectly accurate. If you can do it by eye then you should get in the business.

How you can fix color uniformity & grey scale to the point where it is as accurate as the set can possibly be is amazing. The truth is if you tried to fix red push just by eye all you would do is throw off other aspects of the grey scale, it's not as easy as you may believe. It's not as simple as going into the R-bias and turning it down. Also there was more of a blue push than red.

But anyways back to the subject, Have fun with the PS3 in a year... I'll be having a blast with the 360 until then.

MAX,

Matt27

11-18-2005, 01:39 AM

max

11-18-2005, 01:44 AM

LOL hahahaha

Ok max have fun;)

Just thought you would want to know that most of these games are "NOT" exclusive and they got better reviews on the current gen consoles.lol.

Read Gamespot and IGN that's where i get my reviews.

Actually you a wrong, IGN and Gamespot both rated Call of duty 2 higher on 360 which is what I care about.

Call of duty ratings at gamespot:
Xbox 360 = 8.8 , Xbox = 7.0, PS2 = 7.0

Call of duty ratings at IGN:
Xbox 360 = 9.0, Xbox = 8.0, PS2 = 8.0

And both of them say how much better the game plays and looks graphically. I dont get why you lie to try and help your points and then put an lol after it.

DOA4 is exclusive and so is Tenchu, and if you were paying attention those are my favorite games... Then you have Halo 3, down the road and Forza...
you get my drift.

Also for every exclusive the Xbox360 will have Sony will have an answer back.

DOA4 = Tekken 6 {I would choose DOA series anyday}
Forza = Gran Turismo {I'd say roughly equal}
Halo 3 = {dont know of a FPS exclusive on PS to match it}
Tenchu = {my favorite series to date, so no game matches it TO ME!}

I am sure there are a will be more exclusives but to tell others not to buy an Xbox360 is just not your position to do.

MAX,

Matt27

11-18-2005, 01:48 AM

[QUOTE=max]Well the service menu's in the SXRD sets are completely redone so I wouldn't ask you for tips, and I could not have done alot of what my ISF guy did because I wouldn't have had the Sencore equipment to get it all perfectly accurate. If you can do it by eye then you should get in the business.

How you can fix color uniformity & grey scale to the point where it is as accurate as the set can possibly be is amazing. The truth is if you tried to fix red push just by eye all you would do is throw off other aspects of the grey scale, it's not as easy as you may believe. It's not as simple as going into the R-bias and turning it down. Also there was more of a blue push than red.

But anyways back to the subject, Have fun with the PS3 in a year... I'll be having a blast with the 360 until then.

Max it's alittle different yes,but all in all it's still a sony,Adjusting RYR-RYB get's rid of the red push you put it to 15 for both of them, you don't have to touch the red bias.And no i did'nt do it by eye that would be impossible i did it for the most part with DVE.I did not touch greyscale since i don't have the right equipment like you said so you are right there.But you can get rid of the red push by yourself just by turning both RYR-RYB to 15.Just curious but what color temp did the ISF guy calibrate your set with?Because if he knows what he's doing it should be in neutral not Warm since warm is way way out of whack is totally offset.

As for the blue push i beleive that's only in "COOL" mode,it's not a problem on "Neutral" color temp uinless your set wasn't calibrated to good from the factory,generally it's rare that sony sets do these but it does happen.

Matt27

11-18-2005, 01:50 AM

Actually you a wrong, IGN and Gamespot both rated Call of duty 2 higher on 360 which is what I care about.

DOA4 is exclusive and so is Tenchu, and if you were paying attention those are my favorite games... Then you have Halo 3, down the road and Forza...
you get my drift.

Also for every exclusive the Xbox360 will have Sony will have an answer back.

DOA4 = Tekken 6 {I would choose DOA series anyday}
Forza = Gran Turismo {I'd say roughly equal}
Halo 3 = {dont know of a FPS exclusive on PS to match it}
Tenchu = {my favorite series to date, so no game matches it TO ME!}

I am sure there are a will be more exclusives but to tell others not to buy an Xbox360 is just not your position to do.

MAX,

I understand what you mean

I pretty much have said everything i can, have fun next year since that's when next gaming really counts.

mikehbkwm

11-18-2005, 01:56 AM

Ok this is getting stupid. Matt you have proven yourself to BS a little to much in the past so this is probably why not to many people want to listen to what you have to say. I think you have proven your point that you really LOVE Sony and really disklike the 360. Lets just see what happens and how well it does over the next couple of months.

max

11-18-2005, 02:29 AM

Max it's alittle different yes,but all in all it's still a sony,Adjusting RYR-RYB get's rid of the red push you put it to 15 for both of them, you don't have to touch the red bias.And no i did'nt do it by eye that would be impossible i did it for the most part with DVE.I did not touch greyscale since i don't have the right equipment like you said so you are right there.But you can get rid of the red push by yourself just by turning both RYR-RYB to 15.Just curious but what color temp did the ISF guy calibrate your set with?Because if he knows what he's doing it should be in neutral not Warm since warm is way way out of whack is totally offset.

As for the blue push i beleive that's only in "COOL" mode,it's not a problem on "Neutral" color temp uinless your set wasn't calibrated to good from the factory,generally it's rare that sony sets do these but it does happen.

The service menus are not a little different,you say this like you have worked on one! both ISF techs that came by told me that it was nothing like what they were use to with Sony Products and what's worse is you made yourself look even more ******

The whole warm, cool, neutral thing is a moot point. all can be adjusted to NTSC standards the same as Pro, Standard, and Vivid can. The only difference is some require more work. The set was calibrated to 6500K across.

Pro mode is the best all around option to start from, but that only because it required less work. Other than that I can't tell you much more, because I didn't pay attention the whole time he worked. I just let him do his thing.

I can tell you the PQ is softer but MUCH NICER!!!

now I think a mod should just close this thread.

MAX

Matt27

11-18-2005, 02:40 AM

Matt27

11-18-2005, 02:44 AM

deleted:Useless in what we are talking about....

max

11-18-2005, 02:51 AM

No it's not the first time, i have calibrated a few of my friends sony sets, so i'm no newbie like you when it comes to sony's service menu's.But i agree it a little softer to you now probably because you were used to seeing an image that was enahnced to hell with all these nasty edge enhancements and now you are finally seeing what the signal really looks like just like me with my sony.

Actually after a while you will notice that the PQ is much more sharper now with the edge enhancements off since they mar fine detail.Give it a few weeks and you will see what i mean;)

So you have calibrated an SXRD? And if you use DVE as a reference how do you know that the DVD player you are using is up to par as far as color reproduction is concerned? could you not just be passing on the short comings of the DVD player to the TV? And if you say you haven't calibrated greyscale then what did you do? considering that is the most important part of a calibration. And from what the ISF tech told me, It has to be done first in order to make the other color reproduce accurately.

Sounds to me like your just flapping in the wind again...

MAX,

Matt27

11-18-2005, 04:03 AM

deleted:again not staying on subject

max

11-18-2005, 04:15 AM

I calibarted CRT's not SXRD's.

What i calibrated is'nt relevant to your type of display like:

Focus
Geometry
Convergance

If i had to tell you everything i calibrated it would be:

Balance Black level for all inputs
Fixed redpush
Got rid of all the edge enhancements
Fix the color decoder
Adjust focus
Adjust convergance a bit
tweak geometry a bit

pretty much it really.

And yes i understand what you mean about calibrating the shortcomings but you have to understand that with dvd players color does'nt matter much.Sony's for the most part are pretty accurate dvd players color wise.

You stop pulling **** out of your ass!!! I've done this stuff you hav'nt,all you did was pay some one to do it for you and watched him,while i proudly cvalibrated mine myself to my liking.Sure it my not be D6500K but it's more like 7000K not that bad or far off from D6500K.

Ok yes greyscale is important yes i agree, but my set was'nt far off out of the box.But yes it is important.

It's funny how you bash me yet you don't know **** about sony service menu's :wow:

It's also odd that you are attacking me personally, you know that can get you banned buddy. :shootout:

Please don't bash my service menu knowledge when you have no idea about it yourself that just goes to show you taking stabs at me.

How do you know your greyscale wasn't far off?
How do you know You calibrated to 7000K?
DVD players Color does matter! check the reviews
Who says Sony DVD player produce excellent accurate color?
How did you learn to navigate the service menu?
How did you Balance Black level for all inputs?
How did you fix the color decoder?

Here is your chance to make people believe you are not flapping your gums, explain how you did these things... There are calibrators on this forum who can vouch for you. But beware you will most likely make your self look ......

I am not bashing you, I am exposing you! there is a difference. I highly doubt I will be banned for your lies... I think if anything people are getting a kick out of this!

I might have paid somebody to do a job that they can do alot better than me with the proper equipment, but isn't that what people do. I mean what kind of rebuttle is that? are you serious... Are you going to build a house for yourself by hand with no help or by reading a book? or would you pay someone to have it done right? grow up!

MAX,

mikehbkwm

11-18-2005, 10:38 AM

Matt you are getting ridiculous. You cannot calibrate a tv to a ISF's standards without special equipment. You may be able to get in the ballpark but not close. Quit acting like your some ISF tech who knows how to calibrate tvs. Because if you would like I can always reference back to when you said you ISF calibrated your tv and we caught you in a lie.

edit: And this thread is getting way off base.

spottedfool

11-18-2005, 10:39 AM

OK..now this is getting fun...lol

Matt27

11-18-2005, 02:45 PM

How do you know your greyscale wasn't far off?
How do you know You calibrated to 7000K?
DVD players Color does matter! check the reviews
Who says Sony DVD player produce excellent accurate color?
How did you learn to navigate the service menu?
How did you Balance Black level for all inputs?
How did you fix the color decoder?

Here is your chance to make people believe you are not flapping your gums, explain how you did these things... There are calibrators on this forum who can vouch for you. But beware you will most likely make your self look ......

I am not bashing you, I am exposing you! there is a difference. I highly doubt I will be banned for your lies... I think if anything people are getting a kick out of this!

I might have paid somebody to do a job that they can do alot better than me with the proper equipment, but isn't that what people do. I mean what kind of rebuttle is that? are you serious... Are you going to build a house for yourself by hand with no help or by reading a book? or would you pay someone to have it done right? grow up!

MAX,

I know how to do the service menu because i learned from a few buddies at AVS forums.No i did'nt touch greyscale on my sony since i don't have the right equipment, it was fine the way it was, no regrets there, it looked good to me.

How did you Balance Black level for all inputs? Using UBOF in the service menu, that's exactly what your ISF guy did i can guarantee it.

How did you fix the color decoder? RYR-GYB although i really did'nt thave to touch the greens since they were fine.

I am not bashing you, I am exposing you! But you are bashing me buy critisizing my service menu experiance.Sure i may not know anything about ISF but i do however know a lot about sony sets particulary CRT displays.
I highly doubt I will be banned for your lies... I think if anything people are getting a kick out of this!No i doubt it to, but i'm not lieing,as foe you thinking this is funny well that's fine by me:)

Well if your so smart max tell me how to enter the sony service menu and tell how do disable the edge enhancements.

What are the codes max come on your trying to one up me yet you don't know jack about it.oh..oh.. but..but...yeah ...i didn't think so.

newf

11-18-2005, 03:09 PM

hey guys how about some love.

Ratman

11-18-2005, 03:12 PM

For those sitting on the sidelines...

FYI... adjusting any values in the service menus of any TV (cut, drive, gain, bias, etc) will not make your set 'calibrated' (according to greyscale/6500k).

Although many of us have been into these menus and performed 'tweaks' to make the colors, brightness, geometry better (to statisfaction), it is by no means 'just as good' as an ISF calibration. Proper calibration requires test gear to generate signals, test patterns and analyze the video output.