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AdminJoe
12-14-2005, 02:24 PM
I guess the set I have running at 720p is not true HD and that I need to call comcast and demand my money back and claim false advertising.
Click Here to read the article (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=13603)
PlayStation 3 is the only format that has 1080-progressive, which is the true definition of HD, What a tool. What are 720P, 1080i?
How many people have a 1080P display? How many of those displays will accept 1080P?
Sony is becoming one F'd up organization and their senior management are certainly an indication of why.
If it weren't for the occasional great product, like XSRD, or their CRT-based direct view TVs, this company would be in the tank.
You can't live on reputation forever.
mgonzo2u
12-14-2005, 03:06 PM
"If it weren't for the occasional great product, like XSRD, or their CRT-based direct view TVs, this company would be in the tank."-57U
LOL..........hardly
SONY is large in many arenas way beyond game consoles. One of their big divisions is their medical equipment division but there are many other types of equipment they make that is far more important than games.
And you might want to note that their stock is holding steady, if not rising at this moment despite anything that their alleged rival MS or Nintendo try to do.
As a Sony loyalists, its all good for me and my family financial portfolio.
And you might want to note that their stock is holding steady,.Sorry, but my Japanese stock portfolio has gone up dramatically in the past year. "Holding steady" is not good enough under the current hot Japanese stock environment. I believe the Nikkei is up 30-40% (not quite as dramatic in $ terms).
I didn't know there were any "Ford people" or "Dodge people" any more.... ;)
mgonzo2u
12-14-2005, 05:35 PM
From the low of about $25 this year to about $37 per share currently (and holding steady), SNE is right there with that "Japanese Market" you mention.
I can live with 46+/-% returns.
Ramone
12-18-2005, 06:31 PM
I thought it was a pretty good interview up until the end. All this 1080p and "true" hi-def talk by Sony is typical marketing BS. I'd be very suprised if there's ever any PS3 game that actually renders at true 1080p resolution. Most likely it'll be just like the 360 and render everything at around 720p, with the slight benefit of being able to convert the output to 1080p as well as 1080i.
You have to admit though that hi-def DVD playback will be a huge advantage for the PS3. Assuming it will be at least as capable as the 360 at games, it would be a bargin even at $100 more with blue-ray DVD playback thrown in.
mikehbkwm
12-19-2005, 02:22 PM
Like I've been saying Sony is just getting ridiculous. 1080p the only true HD, well I guess I better throw away my Mits then.
mgonzo2u
12-19-2005, 03:48 PM
Like I've been saying Sony is just getting ridiculous. 1080p the only true HD, well I guess I better throw away my Mits then.
Being a moderator here, I'm certain you are aware that the statement that true HD is 1080p, is accurate.
Only a screen capable of displaying a 1920 x 1080 native resolution can be considered true HD as it was designed to be all along in this era.
If the PS3 can display at the maximum native resolution and XBOX can't, then Sony clearly is the best fit for maximizing the TV's ability as designed.
What's so misrepresented by that statement?
What's so misrepresented by that statement?
1. 720P is also HD and lots of TVs do that. Some (CRTs) convert 720P to 1080i.
2. The horizontal resolution of 1920 was never a "specification" of HD. The only spec is a minimum of 720 or 1080 VERTICAL lines. Horizontal resolution is left "mute".
Otherwise every TV and every programme to date has not been HD, which is just plain silly. Even many of the professional HD cameras used to date have only about 1500 lines of horizontal resolution...
Yes, 1080P is better than 1080i and 720P, however, it's not "true" HD. 720P and 1080i are "just as true".
puck71
12-19-2005, 04:50 PM
Right, throwing around terms like "true" HD is just marketing spin. It's either HD or it's not, based on the definition and specifications of HD. It may be better or clearer, but that doesn't make 720p or 1080i not "true" HD.
kevinw
12-19-2005, 06:26 PM
Being a moderator here, I'm certain you are aware that the statement that true HD is 1080p, is accurate.
Only a screen capable of displaying a 1920 x 1080 native resolution can be considered true HD as it was designed to be all along in this era.
If the PS3 can display at the maximum native resolution and XBOX can't, then Sony clearly is the best fit for maximizing the TV's ability as designed.
What's so misrepresented by that statement?
Well it's time to sue Sony for selling alll these HD tv's that aren't HD then :whistle:
This smells of Fanboyism... :sleeping:
Well it's time to sue Sony for selling alll these HD tv's that aren't HD then :whistle:
This smells of Fanboyism... :sleeping:
good one LOL :overclap:
mgonzo2u
12-20-2005, 08:36 PM
Well it's time to sue Sony for selling alll these HD tv's that aren't HD then :whistle:
This smells of Fanboyism... :sleeping:
Well since I'm not geeky enough to know what "Fanboyism" is, I'll just consider myself lucky not to be such a geek.
What SONY did was market an intermediate fix to satisfy the needy and willing all along knowing that their true aspirations were to provide true HD at 1920 x 1080.
Like it or not, unless you have 1920 x 1080, you don't have the pinnacle of what will be. Myself included at this current time.
abeas
12-20-2005, 08:48 PM
What SONY did was market an intermediate fix to satisfy the needy and willing all along knowing that their true aspirations were to provide true HD at 1920 x 1080.
Yeah, and they did that by lying. Like everyone else has said, 720P and 1080i are still high definition. Right now, there is nothing better than HD, I think. So unless the PS3 does Super Duper HD, that guy is full of it. Another reason why Sony is pathetic. If only Sony made A/V cables, I bet mon$ter would go out of business because of people that worship the ground they walk on.
kevinw
12-20-2005, 11:23 PM
Sony is not altuistic enough to have a quest for perfect HD. All the board of directors care about is making a profit.
fanboy
A person who has an undying urge to sway everyone that is not a believer of the belief system they have towards a game or system or every piece of hardware. If they do not succeed, they will not sway from their statement infront of anyone who knows their stancel.ATI vs. Nvidia, Counter
2. fanboy
1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.
3. See fool or SEGA."If you don't worship SEGA and send them all your money and pay $500 for the copy of Panzer Dragon I'm selling on ebay then your obviously a Sony fanboy even though I've never heard you mention a single thing about Sony the entire five minutes I've known you." Said the SEGA Fanboy.
"Yeah but the SNES didn't have Blast Processing" Said the Sega fanboy.
AtHomeBoy_2000
12-29-2005, 07:36 PM
THis should resolve the conflict. 720P, 1080i, and 1080p are ALL HD. However, 1080p is more HD than all the others. But they are all HD with AMAZING picture quality.
Abasm
12-30-2005, 01:16 PM
There shouldn't have been any conflict.
All but one of us on this thread knew what we were talking about. :)
AV_Integrated
12-30-2005, 02:15 PM
Just to throw a wrench into things - HD originally was what 480i was called as well.
HD has always been nothing more than a floating marketing term that has been used to describe the cleanest image possible. When the term was originally coined it actually referred to the point, where viewing an image, added resolution did NOT yield a better looking image to the viewers from a specific distance and a specific screen size. As is oftent the case, a 1080p image won't look any better than a 480i image on a 13" television from 20 feet back - people simply can't SEE the difference. (color detail doesn't count as resolution!)
But, there is no question that it has strictly evolved into a marketing term. The HDTV logo can go onto ANY display that accepts one of the ATSC formats, has at least 720 lines of resolution, and is 16:9 in ratio. So, if Chinacorp comes out with a 16:9 720x2 pixel display that accepts 720p - it would be entitled to receive the "HDTV" logo.
If that isn't marketing, I don't know what is.
Likewise, statement from Sony are just that - marketing propoganda. 1080p is unquestionably higher resolution than 1080p. But, how much this affects the average person who still owns a SDTV or for those who own HDTVs that can't accept 1080p, it just doesn't matter. Heck - Sony doesn't even accept 1080p input on their own 1080p displays!
Marketing, marketing, marketing - hardly worth crying over.
Well since I'm not geeky enough to know what "Fanboyism" is, I'll just consider myself lucky not to be such a geek.
What SONY did was market an intermediate fix to satisfy the needy and willing all along knowing that their true aspirations were to provide true HD at 1920 x 1080.
Like it or not, unless you have 1920 x 1080, you don't have the pinnacle of what will be. Myself included at this current time.
I guess there is nothing wrong with your statement except that you are telling us everything we already know. Let me look into the future one step ahead for you, 1080p is going to be old technology as well.
By the way I love Ratman's comment about sueing SONY! LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Ratman
12-30-2005, 02:31 PM
By the way I love Ratman's comment about sueing SONY!
Nope... wasn't Ratman!
HD originally was what 480i was called as well.
And when was that?
Marketing perhaps... that's business. The realism is that HD has a standard. Anything with a resolution of 720p or higher is HD.
1080p is "more" resolution. No different than deinterlacing a 480i DVD to 480p. It's better.
Skaar
01-06-2006, 05:26 PM
All I know is that if my 60" SXRD with 1080P written all over the display in the store doesn't end up accepting a PS3 input at 1080P Sony's going to get quite a lot of screaming. They market the damn thing as a 1080P display but are fuzzy on it accepting a 1080P input eventually - WTF is with THAT?
Ratman
01-06-2006, 05:44 PM
Just that... a 1080p "display".
Skaar
01-07-2006, 01:57 PM
Well yeah... you'd take that to mean that it'll display 1080p - from input too? Anyway, this is off topic - sorry ;)
did you see Sonys new web site, they have HighER Definition http://www.sony.com/ces/higher_definition.shtml
Ratman
01-07-2006, 02:15 PM
Everyone needs to be aware that there are "Display" resolutions/capabilities and "input" capabilities. Mutually exclusive.
There are many sets that "natively" display 720p, but do not accept a 720P "input" source. There are a few that will accept 720p, but can only display 1080i.
It's an easily misunderstood concept.
lilschass
01-18-2006, 01:05 AM
But you forgetting the most important thing. Even if the P3 can support the new 1080p it is still far off from being affordable. So if they make each game to that standard the majority of the people purchasing it will be converting it to one of the other standards. Xbox 360 game's are made with a native resolution of 720p, which means they create the graphics to that standard and then it is converted to the others by your tv/xbox capabilities and it seems to becoming more of the standard until 1080p is affordable.
