DVD Upconvert using component

[Brad H]

Spent the last few days reading away on here, Im trying to find what DVD upconverting players will work using the component outputs. I see the samsung 850 and 950 are options any others? I thought I would add, I was one of those "got to be the first to have it" people and bought a 55" HD mitsu WS (love the picture on it still, but no hdmi). My DVD player is on the fritz and I need a new one So Im stuck without a HDMI option and well you know the rest. Im not stuck on a certain brand but Im sure you all know the in's and out's on which player is better. I read up a little on the 950 and I do own some SACD and DVD Audio disc the sound is amazing! oh and Im not concerned with Divx. Hope this ramble covers the possible questions :)

[georgie]

I've had a zenith DVB318 for about a year.Plays 1080i
thru component to a Mitsi WS65413.
Great picture...happy camper no issues

[Splicer]

Have you tried a normal everyday progressive scan dvd player? The TV will upconvert the signal to 1080i anyway. The only real question is if the TV or the DVD player does the upconversion better than the other. I seriously doubt you will see any noticable differences though.
Just get a regular progressive dvd player with component outputs IMO.

[Fore left!]

I have a Mits. 55315 CRT-RPTV (1yo) & the manual mentions nothing about scaling or upconverting, only what the compatible scan rates are (480i,480p,& 1080i), leading me to believe this tv has no scaling capabilities. In fact it mentions that a 720p signal needs to be converted by the output device to one of the compatible scan rates.

I'm using a PS Mits. DVD player that's about 4yo & it looks a bit better when set to 480p than 480i. It has no DVI or HDMI output (the TV only has a DVI) so I've been semi-shopping for an upgrade.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the difference between scaling & upconverting? Sound like I could benefit from an upconverting DVD player? I can snare a Denon 2910 from a local B&M for about $500 right now..........

[Splicer]

Those are the signal inputs acceptable. The TV will convert to its natural resolution, 1080i. The TV will always display whatever is input to it (480i. 480p, 1080i). The reason 720P has to be converted before the TV to 480i, 480p, 1080i is because if you input a 720p signal directly you will get a blank screen.

An upconverting player may give you a better picture, only you can decide that. I jhonestly think you will only 'think' you see a better picture. But that is just my opinion.

Also I don't know why anyone will spend $500 on a DVD player now when HD DVD players are already out and will be here around Christmas time at last report.

[Ratman]

You may need to be aware that not ALL CRT based TV's upscale to 1080i (selectively or automatically).

All will accept a 480i input and deinterlace to 480p/540p but not necessarily upscale to 1080i. All will accept a 480p signal, but may only display 480p/540p with a native input.

Some sets also only display 480p/960i. So... carefully shop and read the specs with CRT based TV's.

[Fore left!]

Thanks for the replies...............I figured that most newer HDTV's would scale to the NR of the set. But I wanted to ask to be sure.

Splicer............ I agree to a point. But besides the upconverting capabilities of the 2910 (which it appears PROBABLY wouldn't benefit me much), it also has SACD/DVD-A capabilities with, from what I've read, excellent bass management ( my current player has neither) plus a better, more contemporary DAC than my current player. But yes........with the HD players on the horizon it might be best just to wait & see how the format battle shakes out, then see if the pricing is right. I'm not sure I want to purchase a DVD player that costs close to as much as my TV did.

[57U]

Ratman's comments are certainly correct, and also reflect a fair bit of history, however, I believe that all of today's consumer CRT-based HDTVs display incoming HD signals as 1080i.

A few may have the option to display 480i/p as 480/540P, however, even that option seems to be disappearing as this confused most people and it is simpler to have all incoming signals simply converted to 1080i on CRTs, the same way that all incoming signals for fixed pixel displays are converted to their one native resolution, whatever that is (again, see the specs).

[Splicer]

FL if that is what you want the unit for (SACD) by all means my friend, go get it. I am not real familiar with SACD (though I'd like to be) but could send you to the place for you to ask how to get the most for your $$$. Nice place, pretty much an upscale crowd...these guys are really into audio and video. Quite a few members have 2 systems, 1 for the theater and 1 for music. www.hometheatertalk.com Hope this helps.

RM you are absolutely correct as usual and I guess I should have mentioned that to keep any confusion to the minimum but I was speaking just about FL's Mits. Rereading my ppost I guess I could have phrased it better.

[Fore left!]

Thanks Splicer...........appreciate the tip. I've actually perused that site via links from other sites.

For some excellent audio (& some video) info, check out www.audioholics.com. Lots of good reviews & technical expertise can be found there.

[Fore left!]

After further review, it appears as though my set (WS-55315) does NOT upconvert or scale everything to 1080i. I had to go to the Mits. website to get the specs for my set (they weren't in the manual) & when comparing them to a more expensive model you can see the difference. I've posted the links to the specs for both models below...........

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/common/getfile.asp?uuid={52607592-9D79-40C2-8707-5BF4FADE4396}

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/common/getfile.asp?uuid={84655E06-9133-43E3-B1EC-E7C309CB1BDF}


I'm not disappointed or irritated as I new I was buying a low-end model........but the price was right. It's actually settling to know exactly what I'm dealing with.

Thanks again for all the input fellas..... :cheers:

[Ratman]

Good homework. Thanks for providing the info.
Facts are better than assumptions.

[S31Ender]

Ratman's comments are certainly correct, and also reflect a fair bit of history, however, I believe that all of today's consumer CRT-based HDTVs display incoming HD signals as 1080i.

A few may have the option to display 480i/p as 480/540P, however, even that option seems to be disappearing as this confused most people and it is simpler to have all incoming signals simply converted to 1080i on CRTs, the same way that all incoming signals for fixed pixel displays are converted to their one native resolution, whatever that is (again, see the specs).


Actually, not all.

There was a phillips that I saw in the store,
Also, my insignia 30inch widescreen will display in 720p.
It'll also do about a million other modes (exageration)

[Ratman]

I find it highly unlikely that your Insignia TV (assuming it's a CRT) can "display" 720p.
It may "accept" a 720p input signal, but it will be upscaled to 1080i for display.

[S31Ender]

nope, it displays 720, not just upscales it.
It's one of the reasons why I bought it. The xbox and the 360 output at 720 (xbox only some games) and I didn't want any scaling artifacts.

[Ratman]

That's quite interesting. I'd like to see the actual spec's of the TV and/or any reference material to substantiate that fact.

I've only heard about CRT's capable of "displaying" 720p that are very "high-end" (expensive).

[fredscycle]

is it the ISTVHD30?If so then NO it will ONLY upconvert to 1080i.I have had this set for about 8 months now and at first also thought it was displaying 720p but indeed it WILL ACCEPT a 720p signal but as nearly ALL consumer based CRT's,it is not capable of "truely" displaying 720p.I even thought everyone else was wrong as when I would send it a 720p signal,the unit will,scramble for a sec...come back and on the display it would say 720p.Although this action may be what happens on some sets when the input/output resolution is CHANGED...it is also happens on CRT's when the INPUT resolution is changed....even though it is upconvert it to 1080i...if this is the same unit,which as far as I know is the only 30" CRT Insignia makes.then I assure you,it does not,I was fooled at first also.