reubenray
02-01-2003, 05:10 AM
Does anyone have a Philips DVD Recorder?
If so is it possible to record from a satellite receiver via the component inputs?
If so is it possible to record from a satellite receiver via the component inputs?
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hch
02-01-2003, 07:21 AM
Yes, I can record DirecTV broadcasts through a Sony SAT HD100 receiver into the Philips DVDR 985 via component connection. Works well for recording 480i. I do, however, wish the Philips 985 had a digital audio IN connection for recording DD5.1(it does have digital optical audio OUT). Good Luck!!!
57U
02-01-2003, 01:38 PM
Please realize that you cannot record HD signals (720P, 1080i) with any DVD recorder or PVR/DVR box currently available in North America. When such separate boxes appear, they will require a firewire (digital) input to record HD.
You cannot record HD via component video cables for two reasons. One, copy protection will not allow such a connnection and the HD component video stream simply carries so much data that you would only be able to record a few minutes. You need a digital connnection (like firewire) to record HD and you will need a HD PVR. HDDVD recorders are still several years away.
It is my understanding that some new recorders (Hard disk/DVD) will allow you to record 480P....
You cannot record HD via component video cables for two reasons. One, copy protection will not allow such a connnection and the HD component video stream simply carries so much data that you would only be able to record a few minutes. You need a digital connnection (like firewire) to record HD and you will need a HD PVR. HDDVD recorders are still several years away.
It is my understanding that some new recorders (Hard disk/DVD) will allow you to record 480P....
reubenray
02-02-2003, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by 57U
Please realize that you cannot record HD signals (720P, 1080i) with any DVD recorder or PVR/DVR box currently available in North America. When such separate boxes appear, they will require a firewire (digital) input to record HD.
You cannot record HD via component video cables for two reasons. One, copy protection will not allow such a connnection and the HD component video stream simply carries so much data that you would only be able to record a few minutes. You need a digital connnection (like firewire) to record HD and you will need a HD PVR. HDDVD recorders are still several years away.
It is my understanding that some new recorders (Hard disk/DVD) will allow you to record 480P....
Yes I know it will not record HD, but I am just trying to find a better quality solution than my VCR for recording from the HD200. Will it record from the SD channels via the component inputs?
Please realize that you cannot record HD signals (720P, 1080i) with any DVD recorder or PVR/DVR box currently available in North America. When such separate boxes appear, they will require a firewire (digital) input to record HD.
You cannot record HD via component video cables for two reasons. One, copy protection will not allow such a connnection and the HD component video stream simply carries so much data that you would only be able to record a few minutes. You need a digital connnection (like firewire) to record HD and you will need a HD PVR. HDDVD recorders are still several years away.
It is my understanding that some new recorders (Hard disk/DVD) will allow you to record 480P....
Yes I know it will not record HD, but I am just trying to find a better quality solution than my VCR for recording from the HD200. Will it record from the SD channels via the component inputs?
reubenray
02-02-2003, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by hch
Yes, I can record DirecTV broadcasts through a Sony SAT HD100 receiver into the Philips DVDR 985 via component connection. Works well for recording 480i. I do, however, wish the Philips 985 had a digital audio IN connection for recording DD5.1(it does have digital optical audio OUT). Good Luck!!!
The new DVDR90 that comes out at the end of 2003 has a DD 5.1 input. I have already found a toslink splittter that should work also. This is the one I am waiting on.
Yes, I can record DirecTV broadcasts through a Sony SAT HD100 receiver into the Philips DVDR 985 via component connection. Works well for recording 480i. I do, however, wish the Philips 985 had a digital audio IN connection for recording DD5.1(it does have digital optical audio OUT). Good Luck!!!
The new DVDR90 that comes out at the end of 2003 has a DD 5.1 input. I have already found a toslink splittter that should work also. This is the one I am waiting on.
Marty
02-06-2003, 10:40 AM
JVC offers some HD decks with component video inputs...W-VHS I believe. They are extremely expesnive though, $4k - $7k.
57U
02-06-2003, 11:56 AM
Any links?
Marty
02-06-2003, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by 57U
Any links?
Here you go 57U. Enjoy!
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/Attributes/features.jsp?tree=&searchModel=&model_id=MDL100250
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/Attributes/features.jsp?tree=&searchModel=&model_id=MDL100251
Any links?
Here you go 57U. Enjoy!
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/Attributes/features.jsp?tree=&searchModel=&model_id=MDL100250
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/Attributes/features.jsp?tree=&searchModel=&model_id=MDL100251
57U
02-06-2003, 02:56 PM
Thanks, I think I'll wait for the SA8000HD DVR due sooooooon....
BrianW
02-06-2003, 05:30 PM
I too will rather wait for the HD PVR's to hit the market rather then taking a step back (then forward) with tape.
The hope is to one day get rid of the VCR cluttering my cabinet.
The hope is to one day get rid of the VCR cluttering my cabinet.
57U
02-07-2003, 02:29 PM
I have since learned that those expensive W-VHS decks are analogue. They cannot record digital sound.
They would be no use to me, at almost any price...
Guess they're strictly for commercial use.
They would be no use to me, at almost any price...
Guess they're strictly for commercial use.
jdillard
02-08-2003, 10:16 AM
Hello everyone,
A couple of observations,...
The JVC DVHS deck is like nothing you have ever seen for recoding HDTV. I am a broadcast engineer for a FOX affiliate here in Georgia, and it is a remarkable achievement in recording technology. But I will admit that it IS a tape. However, it has something that no PVR, no recordable DVD will ever have,.... A Time-Base-Corrector.
This little miracle device, is what makes the machine glorious in its capabilities, and why it is expensive. I will not go into too much detail here to explain the function of a TBC, but let it suffice to say, that every broadcast station, or production facility in the world has Time-Base-Correction for anything they do. This deck has better S/N, audio, video purity, resolution, etc., etc., than anything out there this side of D2. (ALSO a tape I might add).
IF, (and I repeat IF, because it is not looking good at this point) there is ever a HD-DVD-recorder, (maybe 5-7 years in my opinion,) it will not be anything like you would envision it to be in your home. Simply from an enginering stand point, the medium would be more fragile than a tape is now, because it will be a blue-laser technology, and the DVD's themselves will be extremely soft. The ones I have seen, are ruined by a fingerprint!
So right now, the 'enclosed' DVD-ROM shell idea, is being revisited, so we will see. Then you have some very heavy hitters in the game, each saying theirs is the better format, and on and on and on. (Can you say litigation boys and girls? I knew you could!)
Then,...you will have Hollowood, the Screen Actors Guild, Time-Warner, FOX, United Artists, and hundreds more fighting over a copy-protection so they can get their .04 for every set of eyes that view their 'property'. (*sigh*)
As you can see, its a very bumpy road ahead.
As a chief engineer directly responsible for our 'on-air' look and quality of image, I have installed at the station(s) I engineer a total of 61 of the JVC DVHS recorders for either on-air playback, commercial production, or inbound FOX feeds, and promotional material.
With regular cleaning, and good ventilation, I have had one failure. (Power Supply, JVC covered in 4 working days)
They easily are air quality, and supurb audio to feed our analog and digitial HD transmitters at full tilt 1080i output.
I get all of the trades, and engineering periodicals, and I have an owner who has never hesitated to the cost of anything I need for these stations, so I have looked at, and tried them all.
Now, I have also used a DVD recorder (VERY high-end, not consumer, but $34,000 worth of broadcast-quality DVD recorder!) It was also very good. I love the direct access to whatever point of the recorded material I needed, that was wonderful. But it was nowhere near the video/audio capability of the JVC (DVHS), largely because of the TBC I mentioned earlier, but a very respectable attempt, they (DVD-Recorders) will in 10 years be the defacto choice I am sure. But not before then. And I will wager with anyone out there, that there will not be a DVD-HD-Recorder consumer or prosumer (that works) before 2008 or so. I DO feel that several companies will make several runs at it before then, but I will not be a test bed. I am only offering a report on my first-hand experiences with these units and others I have heard or seen. Thanks for the platform to air my 'opinions'.
-Jim Dillard
A couple of observations,...
The JVC DVHS deck is like nothing you have ever seen for recoding HDTV. I am a broadcast engineer for a FOX affiliate here in Georgia, and it is a remarkable achievement in recording technology. But I will admit that it IS a tape. However, it has something that no PVR, no recordable DVD will ever have,.... A Time-Base-Corrector.
This little miracle device, is what makes the machine glorious in its capabilities, and why it is expensive. I will not go into too much detail here to explain the function of a TBC, but let it suffice to say, that every broadcast station, or production facility in the world has Time-Base-Correction for anything they do. This deck has better S/N, audio, video purity, resolution, etc., etc., than anything out there this side of D2. (ALSO a tape I might add).
IF, (and I repeat IF, because it is not looking good at this point) there is ever a HD-DVD-recorder, (maybe 5-7 years in my opinion,) it will not be anything like you would envision it to be in your home. Simply from an enginering stand point, the medium would be more fragile than a tape is now, because it will be a blue-laser technology, and the DVD's themselves will be extremely soft. The ones I have seen, are ruined by a fingerprint!
So right now, the 'enclosed' DVD-ROM shell idea, is being revisited, so we will see. Then you have some very heavy hitters in the game, each saying theirs is the better format, and on and on and on. (Can you say litigation boys and girls? I knew you could!)
Then,...you will have Hollowood, the Screen Actors Guild, Time-Warner, FOX, United Artists, and hundreds more fighting over a copy-protection so they can get their .04 for every set of eyes that view their 'property'. (*sigh*)
As you can see, its a very bumpy road ahead.
As a chief engineer directly responsible for our 'on-air' look and quality of image, I have installed at the station(s) I engineer a total of 61 of the JVC DVHS recorders for either on-air playback, commercial production, or inbound FOX feeds, and promotional material.
With regular cleaning, and good ventilation, I have had one failure. (Power Supply, JVC covered in 4 working days)
They easily are air quality, and supurb audio to feed our analog and digitial HD transmitters at full tilt 1080i output.
I get all of the trades, and engineering periodicals, and I have an owner who has never hesitated to the cost of anything I need for these stations, so I have looked at, and tried them all.
Now, I have also used a DVD recorder (VERY high-end, not consumer, but $34,000 worth of broadcast-quality DVD recorder!) It was also very good. I love the direct access to whatever point of the recorded material I needed, that was wonderful. But it was nowhere near the video/audio capability of the JVC (DVHS), largely because of the TBC I mentioned earlier, but a very respectable attempt, they (DVD-Recorders) will in 10 years be the defacto choice I am sure. But not before then. And I will wager with anyone out there, that there will not be a DVD-HD-Recorder consumer or prosumer (that works) before 2008 or so. I DO feel that several companies will make several runs at it before then, but I will not be a test bed. I am only offering a report on my first-hand experiences with these units and others I have heard or seen. Thanks for the platform to air my 'opinions'.
-Jim Dillard
Marty
02-08-2003, 07:01 PM
Are you talking about the JVC 3000? If so, you may wish to take a look at the "HD Hardware" forum over at www.avsforum.com . Seems these decks have a serious problem of failing after being used for a certain amount of time. I know that a lot of times a message board can make a problem look overblown but after reading the thousands of posts on the subject, it seems there is a real problem there that really does affect a significant number of these units. After taking a look at these units at my local BB and CC, imagine my surprise when the salesmen at both stores tell me not to buy the unit as it will fail within a matter of months! I'm not saying all of them will eventually fail but I've certainly read enough about them to know I won't be buying one anytime soon.
jdillard
02-09-2003, 12:08 AM
Yes, I have read about them, and its just like any product out there, there are lemons, and faulty boxes all over. (I have a station van that is in the shop more than on the road!)
I have been in touch with the Eastern Product rep for JVC, and the figures he gives me is about 2% failure worldwide. (Just for comparison, Sony is around 7% worldwide, Phillips is near 11%, and Panasonic and Toshiba are tied at just under 18%)
If you were to contact The BBB, or consumer reports, the reports they have at their disposal are incredible,...ie, General Motors has an amazing 41% failure rate in their 2003 models across the board, but what is truly astonishing is Cadillac is the worst of their entire catalog!
My point in all of this, is that you will always have products that fail in some way, shape or form, and JVC has their share. If it has moving parts it runs the risk of failure.
Just for clarification, I also have a DVD recorder, (Philips 985) and most of the time it works well, but it has ruined many a blank DVD. I use it everyday to record my wifes 'stories' every afternoon, but for important stuff, like the Superbowl for example, I used the JVC. But before someone starts thinking I am purposely trying for an arguement here, I simply am offering my 'real-world, hands on experiences' here which may help people be better educated out there when it comes time for plopping down a grand of hard-earned money towards some new technology that has nothing but entertainment value. I have stated before, and will say again, that I will buy a HD-DVD recorder that records full HDTV when they become available. But that will not be for SEVERAL years!, Not later this year, not next year, but S E V E R A L years away. Why not use what IS available, and when something better comes along,...well hey, I will be near the front of that line at the checkout.
-Jim Dillard
I have been in touch with the Eastern Product rep for JVC, and the figures he gives me is about 2% failure worldwide. (Just for comparison, Sony is around 7% worldwide, Phillips is near 11%, and Panasonic and Toshiba are tied at just under 18%)
If you were to contact The BBB, or consumer reports, the reports they have at their disposal are incredible,...ie, General Motors has an amazing 41% failure rate in their 2003 models across the board, but what is truly astonishing is Cadillac is the worst of their entire catalog!
My point in all of this, is that you will always have products that fail in some way, shape or form, and JVC has their share. If it has moving parts it runs the risk of failure.
Just for clarification, I also have a DVD recorder, (Philips 985) and most of the time it works well, but it has ruined many a blank DVD. I use it everyday to record my wifes 'stories' every afternoon, but for important stuff, like the Superbowl for example, I used the JVC. But before someone starts thinking I am purposely trying for an arguement here, I simply am offering my 'real-world, hands on experiences' here which may help people be better educated out there when it comes time for plopping down a grand of hard-earned money towards some new technology that has nothing but entertainment value. I have stated before, and will say again, that I will buy a HD-DVD recorder that records full HDTV when they become available. But that will not be for SEVERAL years!, Not later this year, not next year, but S E V E R A L years away. Why not use what IS available, and when something better comes along,...well hey, I will be near the front of that line at the checkout.
-Jim Dillard
Marty
02-09-2003, 01:39 AM
Of course every product out there has its lemons and whatnot and like you said, JVC has their share...that's quite obvious and I am certainly not debating that.
The only thing I was trying to point out was what seemed to be a larger than average reporting of failures with these decks. Like I said before, I am not stating that every one of their decks are eventually going to fail or even that yours will fail, just that there appears to be a significant number of these decks failing and was just trying to make you aware of that, that's all, not trying to trash it or say you made a bad decision to purchase the devices.
BTW, is that 2% JVC figure you are quoting specifically for the 3000 or for JVC products overall (or even just for their vcrs)? If its an overall figure, while not useless, wouldn't exactly be the best number to quote for someone who is debating purchasing this deck. Something like a percent failure number for this deck in particular would be most useful though.
Finally, I know its far from a quantitative assessment but when the local CC guy (who works off of commission) tells me to stay away from this deck because of the amount of failed units that have been returned, well that makes me really think twice that those ridiculous amounts of posts at avsforum concerning the failures of these decks might not be as disproportionate as one may think upon first inspection.
The only thing I was trying to point out was what seemed to be a larger than average reporting of failures with these decks. Like I said before, I am not stating that every one of their decks are eventually going to fail or even that yours will fail, just that there appears to be a significant number of these decks failing and was just trying to make you aware of that, that's all, not trying to trash it or say you made a bad decision to purchase the devices.
BTW, is that 2% JVC figure you are quoting specifically for the 3000 or for JVC products overall (or even just for their vcrs)? If its an overall figure, while not useless, wouldn't exactly be the best number to quote for someone who is debating purchasing this deck. Something like a percent failure number for this deck in particular would be most useful though.
Finally, I know its far from a quantitative assessment but when the local CC guy (who works off of commission) tells me to stay away from this deck because of the amount of failed units that have been returned, well that makes me really think twice that those ridiculous amounts of posts at avsforum concerning the failures of these decks might not be as disproportionate as one may think upon first inspection.
jdillard
02-09-2003, 09:07 AM
Now you understand what I am trying to say,....
I am offering some real world experiences of my use of those particular units, over those shared with you from some pimply-faced 18-20 year old working his first job at CC or BB, and who is far from a credible source. Maybe a rumor I don't know, but I would check with the store manager or their service department and get their feedback.
I have already posed your question about the 2% failure rate back to my district contact, for several reasons, but I did want some further clarification myself, so I will pass all that I get along to you all to chew on during any down time you have.
BTW, when I was talking with my JVC contact, I orderd 6 more units.
-Jim Dillard
I am offering some real world experiences of my use of those particular units, over those shared with you from some pimply-faced 18-20 year old working his first job at CC or BB, and who is far from a credible source. Maybe a rumor I don't know, but I would check with the store manager or their service department and get their feedback.
I have already posed your question about the 2% failure rate back to my district contact, for several reasons, but I did want some further clarification myself, so I will pass all that I get along to you all to chew on during any down time you have.
BTW, when I was talking with my JVC contact, I orderd 6 more units.
-Jim Dillard
Marty
02-09-2003, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by jdillard
Now you understand what I am trying to say,....
I have always understood what you were trying to say. If you look at my first post to this thread, you will see my opinion about the device is formed from mainly the thousands of message board postings I have read about it and then stengthened by the information I have obtained from the local salesman. It would obviously be foolish to base an opinion solely on one source like the local electronics associate. However, I feel it would also be unwise to completely ignore the advice of a commission-hungry salesman telling you not to purchase an $800 device.
Your "real world experience" with these devices is as credible to me as anyone else who posts about their experiences with the device. Thus, when you add your voice to the hundreds of others over at avsforum who have "real world experiences" with the 3k and have had it fail them, it does little to change my opinion of the device. Maybe if more people like you start posting about their prolonged positive experiences with the JVC I shall reconisder but until that happens, I will not being purchasing one.
BTW, I hope the 6 units you ordered are as trustworthy as your current ones.
Now you understand what I am trying to say,....
I have always understood what you were trying to say. If you look at my first post to this thread, you will see my opinion about the device is formed from mainly the thousands of message board postings I have read about it and then stengthened by the information I have obtained from the local salesman. It would obviously be foolish to base an opinion solely on one source like the local electronics associate. However, I feel it would also be unwise to completely ignore the advice of a commission-hungry salesman telling you not to purchase an $800 device.
Your "real world experience" with these devices is as credible to me as anyone else who posts about their experiences with the device. Thus, when you add your voice to the hundreds of others over at avsforum who have "real world experiences" with the 3k and have had it fail them, it does little to change my opinion of the device. Maybe if more people like you start posting about their prolonged positive experiences with the JVC I shall reconisder but until that happens, I will not being purchasing one.
BTW, I hope the 6 units you ordered are as trustworthy as your current ones.
billw
02-10-2003, 10:38 AM
What is the model number of this JVC unit?
Is there a link that explains TBC?
I too have made some contacts at JVC. It is amazing that I am just a consumer with a few pieces of their equipment. They ( I say they becuase I think I have spoken to just about everyone, including the man responsible for their television division) have been extremely helpful and responsive to my questions. I am one person buying one TV and they took the time.
I know JVC is not at the top but I like the way the equipment integrates and have not had a single problem with any of their equipment. The vcr I have must be 10 years old (maybe not quite 10) but it doesnt have S-Video. It runs perfect.
I am rambling. I have nothing but good things to say about JVC and the support I have received.
Is there a link that explains TBC?
I too have made some contacts at JVC. It is amazing that I am just a consumer with a few pieces of their equipment. They ( I say they becuase I think I have spoken to just about everyone, including the man responsible for their television division) have been extremely helpful and responsive to my questions. I am one person buying one TV and they took the time.
I know JVC is not at the top but I like the way the equipment integrates and have not had a single problem with any of their equipment. The vcr I have must be 10 years old (maybe not quite 10) but it doesnt have S-Video. It runs perfect.
I am rambling. I have nothing but good things to say about JVC and the support I have received.
57U
02-10-2003, 11:51 AM
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Marty
02-10-2003, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by billw
[B]
I know JVC is not at the top but I like the way the equipment integrates and have not had a single problem with any of their equipment. The vcr I have must be 10 years old (maybe not quite 10) but it doesnt have S-Video. It runs perfect.
[B]
I've had a JVC S-VHS VCR for quite some time now as well and it has been great! D-VHS, however, is a whole different ball game. Since it is first generation like product, there are bound to be problems with it (just like most first-generation products). From what I've read, the JVC 3000 certainly fits that mold. I'm sure JVC will get it right soner rather than later, I just won't be purchasing their current D-VHS model.
[B]
I know JVC is not at the top but I like the way the equipment integrates and have not had a single problem with any of their equipment. The vcr I have must be 10 years old (maybe not quite 10) but it doesnt have S-Video. It runs perfect.
[B]
I've had a JVC S-VHS VCR for quite some time now as well and it has been great! D-VHS, however, is a whole different ball game. Since it is first generation like product, there are bound to be problems with it (just like most first-generation products). From what I've read, the JVC 3000 certainly fits that mold. I'm sure JVC will get it right soner rather than later, I just won't be purchasing their current D-VHS model.
billw
02-11-2003, 10:33 AM
My VCR is pre S-VHS and it still runs great.
drjohnc
02-16-2003, 02:38 AM
I've had a JVC DVHS deck almost since they were first released. I've recorded plenty of content in both HS and LS3 (LS3 mainly for episodes awaiting release of DVD's).
The machine has always played flawlessly. I don't use it as much as some other folks over at the avsforum, as many of them use a 169time modified DTC-100 to record HD Movies from Showtime, HBO, and HDNet.
The pre-recorded D-Theater DVHS movies are simply fabulous! The 5.1 soundtracks seem to outpace even the best DVD DTS track's I've heard to date; and the picture ... 1080i in all of its glory.
The machine has always played flawlessly. I don't use it as much as some other folks over at the avsforum, as many of them use a 169time modified DTC-100 to record HD Movies from Showtime, HBO, and HDNet.
The pre-recorded D-Theater DVHS movies are simply fabulous! The 5.1 soundtracks seem to outpace even the best DVD DTS track's I've heard to date; and the picture ... 1080i in all of its glory.
Ohm-Bob
03-20-2003, 12:34 AM
Yes, I can attest to the circuitry of the 30000. The very first thing I did when I got it out of the box was to hook it up to a top-end Laserdisc player (anybody remember those?)
I recorded a segment onto S-VHS tape in analog mode. Believe it or not, the tape recording playback was absolutely *superior* in picture quality to the orignal laserdisc. Being used to totally digital TV for the last 6 months or so, I'd forgotten how *noisy* looking those old LDs actually are. Also, I've found that it cleanses the "wavery" looking signals from my old wavecom that my TV doesn't like. I know that has something to do with the built-in TBC.
There definitely *is* something to the circuitry in the 30000. And that's only for it's analog capabilities.
As for the *digital* aspects of this machine, you can happily apply all the analog benefits and record them digitally on tape (many hours on a single tape) as well as recording HDTV signals in the HS mode (not so many hours).
The only other thing I can add is that while everyone else is sitting out there waiting for their "vaporware" machines (PVRs and whatnot) to take on actual form, I (and many others) are happily building our digital libraries, including many High Definition titles.
Take care, all
---Ohm-Bob
I recorded a segment onto S-VHS tape in analog mode. Believe it or not, the tape recording playback was absolutely *superior* in picture quality to the orignal laserdisc. Being used to totally digital TV for the last 6 months or so, I'd forgotten how *noisy* looking those old LDs actually are. Also, I've found that it cleanses the "wavery" looking signals from my old wavecom that my TV doesn't like. I know that has something to do with the built-in TBC.
There definitely *is* something to the circuitry in the 30000. And that's only for it's analog capabilities.
As for the *digital* aspects of this machine, you can happily apply all the analog benefits and record them digitally on tape (many hours on a single tape) as well as recording HDTV signals in the HS mode (not so many hours).
The only other thing I can add is that while everyone else is sitting out there waiting for their "vaporware" machines (PVRs and whatnot) to take on actual form, I (and many others) are happily building our digital libraries, including many High Definition titles.
Take care, all
---Ohm-Bob
57U
03-20-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Ohm-Bob The only other thing I can add is that while everyone else is sitting out there waiting for their "vaporware" machines (PVRs and whatnot) to take on actual form, I (and many others) are happily building our digital libraries, including many High Definition titles. I'm sure that some of us would have been happy to join you, but since 85% of the population gets their TV siganls via Cable or Satellite, that simply wasn't possible, since none of the STBs have firewire out (until very recent introductions of some boxes, in some areas)
PS, I'm not sure how you have your LD player hooked up to the TV, etc, but LD information is stored as composite, so a composite connection may actually provide a better image than S-Video...
Thanks for the other feedback
PS, I'm not sure how you have your LD player hooked up to the TV, etc, but LD information is stored as composite, so a composite connection may actually provide a better image than S-Video...
Thanks for the other feedback
Ohm-Bob
03-20-2003, 02:33 AM
57U,
I did use the composite output from the LD player. The difference between that and the S-connector is supposed to only be affected by which device has the better comb filter, from what I understand, be it the TV, the VCR or the LD player itself. BTW, as an aside, I've got an even older LD player that doesn't even have an S connector on it, and it seems to have a "sharper" picture. It's much older than the higher-end player I tried to record from, but has much noisier color reproduction.
As far as digital Hi-Def recording goes, I have to break down and admit that I *am* on the "Bleeding Edge," have splurged on much of my equipment, and will be paying for it for some time to come. I wasn't even gonna buy the VCR, despite all its goodies, unless I could use it to record HD. In my household, we're happily using both TiVo & Replay machines, each of which has their own advantages, and it *is* kind of a pain to go back to tape. But in reality, there's really nothing else available yet to deal with Hi-Def recording and/or playback. I also have to admit that I'm a happy Sixteen Nine Time(bleeding-edge-but-there's-nothing-else)er. That firewire is *extremely* important when it comes to this VCR. I've made both OTA & satellite recordings using this eqiupment, and am very happy with the results.
Well, I'll wrap it up by saying that I certainly don't blame anyone for waiting for their "vaporware" machines, and not wanting to spend the money on present-day tape technology. But one has to admit that once you see those High Definition pictures, it really *is* hard to look at anything else. Thanks.
---Ohm-Bob
P.S. 57U - It looks from the picture like you've got a very nice setup.
I'm glad this forum is here.
I'm still working on getting my surround sound going. I have a magnetism problem because my set is a big direct-view picture tube & the center channel speaker causes the picture to go whacked-out, even though it's suppose to be "magnetically shielded." (I suppose this is a discussion for another part of this forum.) Take care.
I did use the composite output from the LD player. The difference between that and the S-connector is supposed to only be affected by which device has the better comb filter, from what I understand, be it the TV, the VCR or the LD player itself. BTW, as an aside, I've got an even older LD player that doesn't even have an S connector on it, and it seems to have a "sharper" picture. It's much older than the higher-end player I tried to record from, but has much noisier color reproduction.
As far as digital Hi-Def recording goes, I have to break down and admit that I *am* on the "Bleeding Edge," have splurged on much of my equipment, and will be paying for it for some time to come. I wasn't even gonna buy the VCR, despite all its goodies, unless I could use it to record HD. In my household, we're happily using both TiVo & Replay machines, each of which has their own advantages, and it *is* kind of a pain to go back to tape. But in reality, there's really nothing else available yet to deal with Hi-Def recording and/or playback. I also have to admit that I'm a happy Sixteen Nine Time(bleeding-edge-but-there's-nothing-else)er. That firewire is *extremely* important when it comes to this VCR. I've made both OTA & satellite recordings using this eqiupment, and am very happy with the results.
Well, I'll wrap it up by saying that I certainly don't blame anyone for waiting for their "vaporware" machines, and not wanting to spend the money on present-day tape technology. But one has to admit that once you see those High Definition pictures, it really *is* hard to look at anything else. Thanks.
---Ohm-Bob
P.S. 57U - It looks from the picture like you've got a very nice setup.
I'm glad this forum is here.
I'm still working on getting my surround sound going. I have a magnetism problem because my set is a big direct-view picture tube & the center channel speaker causes the picture to go whacked-out, even though it's suppose to be "magnetically shielded." (I suppose this is a discussion for another part of this forum.) Take care.
