No sound from speakers

[madrushian]

I Just tried to setup My 5590

When I turn the power on I have to turn the volume to half way to even here anything I would think half on the volume should be blowing me out the room

what am I doing wrong. I just have the mains (KLH 911B)hooked up

btw I didnt do any tweeking I just plug the speakers in hooked up the HDTV and hit the power on the reciever

Help

thanks

[57U]

On many new receivers the volume knob can be turned many times to get to full volume.

1. How do you know you're at half volume - is there a graph or a number from 0-100, or -dB?

2. Some receivers have a "soft mute" (-20db sound cut) make sure that's not on.

3. Make sure you've got your speaker selection turned on "Speakers A / B". Make sure you've connected the speaker cables to the appropriate ones.

4. Never leave the volume "cranked" when you're switching things and experimenting, you can blow the speakers and your mind..

5. Try setting the recevier to Tuner - AM - this should give you a "hiss" or a station perhaps. You may have incorrectly connected the TV.

I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Read the manual...

[madrushian]

1. the volume was at -50db when I could here sound and the volume goes 0 db

2. muting wasnt on

3. a.b switch didnt help

4. I cranked it and it was bearable

5. I listen to the test tones and the samething happen

6. I Did read the manual and check the troublshooting section


thanks for the help any other suggestions

[57U]

hmmm, the test tones should be quite audible at -50 and loud at -35. Don't go too far above that until your comfortable with your setup. -10 is the loudest I've ever been able to bear and boy was that loud. I usually listen to stuff at -50 to -40, unless I'm alone and crank it up further...

The volume is "quiet" at -70, sound at -60, "normal" at -50, starts getting loud at around -40, loud at -30. Just to give you some idea.

Sounds like something wrong with the speaker connections?

Do the speakers have any switches or anything on them?

Make sure you've got the Left & Right Front speaker connected to "main speakers" left and right, not "rear speakers" left & right...

In the speaker setup there's also a setup for -10db and 0dB I believe. Make sure this is not at -10.

If you have a store nearby that handles Yamaha, you could go there and see how loud speakers sound at the various settings. What's the SPL of your speakers - 87? 90? 93? dB/W/m. What's the impedence - 2, 4, 8 ohms?

That's about all I can think of.

[DoubleDAZ]

I'm not sure you actually have a problem. My Denon 3803 goes from -80 to +18 and I generally set it around -20 to -15, depending on the source. I don't get much, if any, sound from any source until I hit around -50 or so and the volume at that point is real low. The negative numbers kind of shocked me at first, but I'm sure there is a reason they didn't start with 0. At any rate, everything seems to work great and the actual numbers and knob setting don't bother me anymore.

I don't remember for sure, but when I first turned it on, I believe I had to use the setup menu to configure the speakers: L/R front, center, surrounds, sub, even large or small, etc., before I was able to get any sound at all. Does the Yamaha have something similar in their setup procedure? I also had to identify digital sources before I could listen to any components.

I was going to suggest taking the TV out of the mix, but then I realized that if you have a menu system like mine you will need the TV to view the settings, etc. :D

If all else fails, run back up to the store and see what their settings are. Could be you actually have a bad unit.

Cheers,

[57U]

Originally posted by DoubleDAZ ...but I'm sure there is a reason they didn't start with 0... Same reason those Marshall Amps to to "11". It's louder ;)

I believe the Yamahas "peak" at 0 - that's as far as mine goes anyway. I've never actually gone there with any "normal" music on. Only with a very quiet passage and only for a short time.

Perhaps the 0 on the Denon would be the "max power" given a "normal" feed, whatever that is.

I've found CDs vary as much as 10dB, perhaps more. TV stations have varied by 20dB for me on digital cable (sad)...

All my previous amps had watt meters, and/or a clipping detection (distortion above spec). I miss them on this unit... although, with my SPL meter, based on the SPL, I can easily calculate where I am in terms of W/Ch.

For my particular setup...

70 dB = 0.01 Watts
80 dB = 0.1 Watts
90 dB = 1 Watt.
100 dB = 10 Watts
110 dB = 100 Watts.
120 dB = 1000 Watts, whoops, don't have quite that much power, but pretty close with all 7 channels driven (actually slightly over 1000 when I factor in the Sub...)

[DoubleDAZ]

57U. I find similar variances, especially when the commercials come on. ;)

I still find it curious as to why the range goes from negative to positive, though I suspect you are on the right track when you talk about "max power" being at a certain point. I guess every manufacturer sets this up differently, maybe just to be different. I mean like why not 0 to 98 vs -80 to +18?

You didn't mention what the range was on your receiver and what setting you tend to use for most listening, but mine seems to be near the middle and so is madrushian's. I suspect the "normal" setting might be a combination of receiver and speakers, and the need to support a wide range of speaker systems.

I can't even begin to approach 0, much less +18 on mine. I nearly blew the windows out last night watching Star Trek Nemesis on around -12.

Cheers,

[madrushian]

I Know I have a problem

My old sony reciever was 100w total (2ow for 5 channels) and I never had it past 3 on volume knob or (-70db on this recievers)

I think it may be that I havnt gone into the setup menu yet I just hooked up things and it power


so Hopefully that will fix it

Thanks

[57U]

Originally posted by DoubleDAZ You didn't mention what the range was on your receiver and what setting you tend to use for most listening Actually, I did mention some sample settings a few posts up.

The volume is "quiet" at -70dB, sound at -60, "normal" at -50, starts getting loud at around -40, loud at -30. The scale is from -100dB (actually called mute) through -99.5, -99,0, -98.5 in 0.5 dB increments up to zero. Normally I listen at -50 to -40. I might crank it up to -30 with my wife at home for a good movie. -20 is usually my limit for music (getting old and I want to keep my hearing). I have gone to -10 for very brief periods just to see what would happen... That's well over 100dB...

A very loud movie theatre is usually around 85dB. They did measurements in Canada and found most cinemas don't peak much over 83dBA, which I found a bit surprising (low)

[DoubleDAZ]

You're right, as usual. I didn't see that post because I was composing one myself. Sure looks like we both tend to listen at about mid-range and that's why I'm not sure madrushian has a problem. Did I miss something else along the way?

I remember my first receiver back in 1967 (am I dating myself?), an old Sansui 5000R. I believe then I didn't have to turn it up very much to get sound and don't recall ever listening near the mid-range. My last receiver was a Kenwood and I think I had to use that much closer to mid-range.

Cheers,

[57U]

Because I wanted the cleanest sound, my first purchase wasn't a receiver but an integrated amp - A Sansui AU555 - 1969, along with a Dual 1015F turntable. Worked the entire summer and that's what I bought.

[madrushian]

I did forget to mention I have the mains and the center front speaker connected and the center was the loudest of three(it was so loud that I couldnt hear sound coming from the mains unless I disconnected the center speaker)

does that seem right and the reciever is set in prologic II mode

let me know.


I am going oot so if I dont rspond thats why

thanks for all your help

[DoubleDAZ]

Wow, I can't believe that. I was in the US Air Force on Okinawa at the time and almost bought that same unit before I left there. Believe it or not, I kept my Sansui until circa 1990. Then I upgraded to a Kenwood receiver, 6+1 CD player, and dual cassette deck. I used a set of 50w speakers I "swiped" in Vietnam (came from a club we closed at Phu Cat) until I upgraded to Bose in 1995 when we moved into our new home.

As a matter of fact, I still have the old Sansui and Vietnam-era speakers. They still work to this day, though the Sansui is now relegated to a space in the closet collecting a bit of dust and the speakers are in the living room taking up space serving as quasi-end tables.

Small world we live in!

Cheers,

[57U]

Originally posted by madrushian I did forget to mention I have the mains and the center front speaker connected and the center was the loudest of three(it was so loud that I couldnt hear sound coming from the mains unless I disconnected the center speaker). Does that seem right and the reciever is set in prologic II mode
Well, there's your problem - Dolby Prologic is only to be used when you're listening with 5 speakers and much of the sound will still come from the center channel.

Pro-logic only works properly if the original material was encoded in pro-logic. If it was not, you'll get sound mostly from the center channel only. If it was encoded in pro-logic then you'll get sound from all the speakers. Some music sounds OK in pro-logic, but I prefer to listen to my music in "stereo" unless the mix has been properly done, which is rare.

Switch Pro-logic off, listen in "stereo" and the two front speakers will then sound normal.

Also, do the speaker setup properly once you've got all 5-6 speakers setup (5 + sub).

Problem solved?

[madrushian]

I did set it in stereo and there was no change

I will admit I havent done speaker setup

may be that is the problem

I am going to BB to try there 5590 and see if I have the same response

I will have to see

but I did try stero and it didnt change anything



Thanks for your help most appreciated

[madrushian]

I did set it in stereo and there was no change

I will admit I havent done speaker setup

may be that is the problem

I am going to BB to try there 5590 and see if I have the same response

I will have to see

but I did try stero and it didnt change anything



Thanks for your help most appreciated

[akthor]

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