Is this enough bandwidth for component switching

[mikehbkwm]

Now granted I will only be using the component switching for the XBOX, PS2 the HD STB and DVD player will go straight to the TV. BUTTTT if I am playing a XBOX game in the future that might be 1080i or if I for some reason do hook up my HD STB to the receiver will this receiver have enough bandwidth for component switching heres a link to the receiver.............

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-nFxOAXbX5rQ/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=4&g=10420&I=130VSXD812&o=m&a=0&cc=01&avf=N

[57U]

28 MHz is a bit tight. It would probably do the job since most HDTVs can't display the full horizontal resolution anyway, but if you want to pass full HD, you should have >40 MHz. See the following link.

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ajaynejr/bandwid.htm

[mikehbkwm]

But if Im just running the XBOX and the PS2 to the receiver I should be fine because like I said Ill more then likely be taking the STB and DVD player straight to the TV...........

well i hate to say it but i might get this Sony. The damn thing does 80mhz component switching.......... looks pretty nice, do you see anything that i should worry about..........

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=MDzGPfiKN73GPcZlga3MNrea_0lCeN4Exrc=?CatalogCategoryID=FKwKC0%2eNKagAAAD1x7MpDdUY&ProductID=SzIKC0%2eNvSEAAAD11hopDdUd&Dept=hav

[57U]

Took a quick look - nothing jumped out except it's only got one S/PDIF input (coax digital sound) - 3 optical.

If I recall the "ES" line is more highly rated, but that may be more money...

I've always been partial to Yamaha because of their very clean sound, but haven't heard anything "bad" about any receiver recently. Mostly you get what you pay for.

You may wish to take a quick look at the A/V receiver "checklist" at the bottom of the "If only I'd have known" FAQ.

[FatDog]

Yamaha for one has standardized on 100 Mhz bandwidth for it's receivers and is calling it "HDTV" compatible.

There is a good discussion of Inexpensive HDTV Video Switching (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110726) . There are several external switchers listed that run $80-$180. There are even some gamers who use the mechanical L/R/Video switch box from Radio Shack for $49 who say it works fine.

These switchers give you 4-inputs and the cheapest receiver with 3 HDTV compatible inputs ran $2,800 a few months ago.

[57U]

the cheapest receiver with 3 HDTV compatible inputs ran $2,800 a few months ago. hmmm. Check these out.

Yamaha RX-V1 - 3 HD component inputs (100 MHz) - just over $1000. (Former Flagship Receiver - A couple of years old, but an unbeatable value - seems some new ones are still available? Only thing it doesn't do, that I can think of is Dolby Pro Logic II) I love mine.

http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop?d=zrec&id=1990375299


Yamaha RX-Z1 - 3 HD component inputs (100 MHz) - $1900 (Current Flagship)

http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop?d=zrec&id=1990889595

The power spec on the Yahoo site is incorrect - let's just say power is "more than adequate". For additional details on the RX-Z1, see the following review.

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/YamahaRXZ1-p1.html

[FatDog]

Good to know the prices are coming down.

I second the Yamaha recomendation. I own 3 of them.

But the Pioneer unit Mike was looking at is $270. Add one of the HD video switch box's for $150 and he's sunk $420 into a system that can handle 4 HD sources w/optical & coaxial digital.

(I think the Zektor unit for $150 takes BOTH optical and coaxial for each input, and provides BOTH optical and coaxial digital outputs. The receiver only needs 1 DD digital input.)

As much as I love the Yamaha, The price difference:

$1,040 - $420 = $620

that's a lot of XBox games.

[57U]

I wasn't advising Mike to buy a $1-2K recevier. I was simply saying there were units out for a lot less than $3k.

If I only had a few hundred to spend and needed the inputs, I'd put 90% of the money towards the receiver and buy a $25-$50 manual switch, provided I watched two components most of the time and only needed to switch to another one (like a game) once a day say....

If you've got lots of money, or need to switch often, then $150-$200 switches are nice to have. Each person could make that decision based on needs/preferences.

[mikehbkwm]

Well after really going over a number of receivers I think im going to go with the Sony that I listed a couple of posts up from here
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...opDdUd&Dept=hav

The reason why is because it handles 80mhz on component switching and also its listed on ONECALL.com as $258 which is a killer price. All the other receivers that are in my price range dont have as many optical inputs and also only do anywhere from 28 to 37 mhz component switching so this Sony should do the trick. I cant believe Im actually buying a Sony receiver I was so set on buying a Yamaha or a Pioneer. As far as inputs on my TV Ive got 3 component INS so im fine on the inputs.... The XBOX and PS2 will be sent to the receiver and the DVD player and HD STB will go straight to the TV....................

[mikehbkwm]

Let me ask you all another ?....... This receivers THD is at 0.7% is this to high or is just fine. Again Im learning here.... If it is to high then be honest and tell me that it sucks.................

[kevinw]

High but not crippeling like Rick Flair to Sean Michaels:D

[57U]

Weird, neither of the Sony links works any more. The THD is a bit high, but what matters is what the distortion curve vs frequency vs output (watts) looks like. Not everyone likes to publish that curve.

Usually in the "normal" listening range, receivers today have pretty low distortion and some suppliers are willing to "show" a higher THD, to get a higher "wattage" number.

[spaceman_spiff]

For reciever comparisons done by S&V. Check this link out

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm

Here are some of the reciever and speaker comparisons.
http://hometheater.valuecanuck.com/

THD of the Sony seemed to be on a higher side. Again thats dependant on the frequency and wattage as 57 mentioned.

[Ratman]

Originally posted by mikehbkwm
This receivers THD is at 0.7% is this to high or is just fine.

Agreed that .7 THD is a bad spec.

But on a price vs. performance, I'd 'poo-poo' the rating.

I can honestly say that if you put two receivers (with equal power ratings) in a A/B comparison in my room, that it would be quite difficult to tell the audible difference between .7 and .07!

And for a substantial $$ savings, I personally would not be overly concerned. Just my opinion...

[spaceman_spiff]

Originally posted by Ratman
that it would be quite difficult to tell the audible difference between .7 and .07!

I agree Ratman. Specs can be misleading like wattage, THD and 24bit/ 96Khz Vs 24bit/192Khz D/A conversion etc.
But if you can get better THD technically for the same price, why would want to go for inferior.
Some manufacturers stick to lower THD in most of their offerings, like yamaha for eg.
Personally listening to the recievers/ speakers and then deciding for the best sounding to your ears is the best test before buying.

[mikehbkwm]

Thank you guys for the posts Ill take all this into consideration before I make my purchase. And your right I think it depends if your really listening for it or not. Cause my buddy has a Sony last years model and to be honest and again Im not really much of a sound guy but I think its a great reciever and couldnt really say anything bad about it...............

RAT, 57, Kev, I love you guys LOL well not like that :p

This is the receiver Im thinking about getting.........
heres a link to the site http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UWc_aPnzeqw_SccAAhQ1Y7b8_mMnjKIWBHI=?CatalogCategoryID=pikKC0%2eNwZEAAAD1KjFfveQy&ProductID=yCkKC0%2eNnjIAAAD1mfpfveQ4&Dept=hav

[57U]

You can see that the distortion drops an order of magnitude to 0.09% (20-20kHz) in stereo. It's only when "pushed" (6 channels driven) that the THD rises. This receiver will be just fine.

[kevinw]

Mike is it the Sony DE895?

[57U]

695. See the link two posts north of yours.

[mikehbkwm]

Its the 695 and I foung it on onecall's website for $258.00 not to shabby............

[kevinw]

Sony Links did not work Smart Pants:rolleyes:
I like the 895 even if it is a SONY..I am checking the 695 now...EDIT- 695 is nice for a 100 more the 895 adds an extra optical input as well as 6.1..looking towards the future:)

[57U]

Originally posted by kevinw Sony Links did not work... hmm, the link in Mike's 2:30PM post works for me. The earlier ones did not.

[mikehbkwm]

the 695 is 6.1 but yeah the 895 is a little nicer i also noticed that on onecall that they sell it only for $60 more. Will definitely think about that also.............

Well Kevin I want your opinion now what would you suggest that I get. Ive only got around $300 to spend on a receiver and again the whole component switching ordeal is what led me to the Sony. Most Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo that Ive looked at in that price range only do 28 to 37mhz component switching and some didnt even do DDEX or DTS-ES so its like Im really stuck with pretty much looking at the Sony............. Hey and be brutally honest Ive done my homework now but would seriously like your input........

[kevinw]

You know me the king of cheap.. I would have never looked at Sony till you brought it up. If 3 bills is the pricepoint That 695 is looking good.