vstone
07-20-2003, 01:44 PM
I have the news plasma monitor. It has warnings about viewing freeze frame or 4:3 for over two hours. How would this be different from viewing Die Another Day (aspect ratio 2.35:1) for 2 -1/2 hours?
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AZDrDave
08-26-2003, 10:01 PM
I see you haven't gotten any replies, but how do you like your set? I've been looking at the Samsung SPN4235 for awhile and want to see what Labor day sales are going to do to the local price. However, I haven't found any user comments. Do you have any?
Thanks in advance for your time!
P.S. - I HAVE read elsewhere that you shouldn't have to worry about watching a 2.5 hour movie. It's leaving CNN on 24/7 (with the 'ticker bar' across the bottom) that would be a problem.
Thanks in advance for your time!
P.S. - I HAVE read elsewhere that you shouldn't have to worry about watching a 2.5 hour movie. It's leaving CNN on 24/7 (with the 'ticker bar' across the bottom) that would be a problem.
57U
08-26-2003, 10:47 PM
There's lots of information on this site about burn lines. Type "burn" into the search engine.
The reason you can't leave a 4:3 image on your screen for extended periods of time is that you can do just that - watch 4:3 images 80% of the time. That will definitely cause burn lines after a while.
You're unlikely to watch 2.35:1 DVDs on your TV 80% of the time. Probably only a few% of the time. That's why DVDs are OK and 4:3 images are not - simply because of the typical usage.
TV manufacturers recommend to keep "static images" below 15% usage.
The reason you can't leave a 4:3 image on your screen for extended periods of time is that you can do just that - watch 4:3 images 80% of the time. That will definitely cause burn lines after a while.
You're unlikely to watch 2.35:1 DVDs on your TV 80% of the time. Probably only a few% of the time. That's why DVDs are OK and 4:3 images are not - simply because of the typical usage.
TV manufacturers recommend to keep "static images" below 15% usage.
DoubleDAZ
08-26-2003, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by vstone
I have the news plasma monitor. It has warnings about viewing freeze frame or 4:3 for over two hours. How would this be different from viewing Die Another Day (aspect ratio 2.35:1) for 2 -1/2 hours?
It isn't, except that the bars above and below are black instead of gray and a little more of a potential problem. But, did they actually say not to do that forever or just for a short breakin period? I don't know about plasma's, but my Hitachi RPTV said to fill the screen for an initial breakin period, 6 hours or something, I don't remember the specific timeframe. After that, it says to limit 4:3 material to around 15% of total viewing. Basically this is a CYA thing and is designed to eliminatedany possible burn problems. Many folks will tell you horrow stories of not following this guideline while others will tell you they watch 80% with bars and have no burn problems. YMMV.
I would do as 57U suggested and check out all the threads that discuss burn, particularly those for plasma sets. I don't know if you can enter burn and plasma to limit the search.
I have the news plasma monitor. It has warnings about viewing freeze frame or 4:3 for over two hours. How would this be different from viewing Die Another Day (aspect ratio 2.35:1) for 2 -1/2 hours?
It isn't, except that the bars above and below are black instead of gray and a little more of a potential problem. But, did they actually say not to do that forever or just for a short breakin period? I don't know about plasma's, but my Hitachi RPTV said to fill the screen for an initial breakin period, 6 hours or something, I don't remember the specific timeframe. After that, it says to limit 4:3 material to around 15% of total viewing. Basically this is a CYA thing and is designed to eliminatedany possible burn problems. Many folks will tell you horrow stories of not following this guideline while others will tell you they watch 80% with bars and have no burn problems. YMMV.
I would do as 57U suggested and check out all the threads that discuss burn, particularly those for plasma sets. I don't know if you can enter burn and plasma to limit the search.
57U
08-26-2003, 11:35 PM
Plasma sets are probably the most susceptible sets to burn lines. They have made some strides recently to minimize the effect, but I would rate sets as follows with regards to burn lines (least to most susceptible) The rating assumes properly set up TVs.
DLP (least)
LCoS
LCD
Direct View
CRT-based RPTVs
Plasma (Most)
Some may argue, but at least this is a guide.
DLP (least)
LCoS
LCD
Direct View
CRT-based RPTVs
Plasma (Most)
Some may argue, but at least this is a guide.
vstone
08-27-2003, 02:34 PM
I posted the original thread, based on the manual recommendation about limited 4:3 to 2 hours. Die another Day runs about 2:20. The manual was talking about 4:3 for a relatively short period of time. That was my concern.
I had the Samsung for about a week and sent it back. The remote with my Samsung DirecTV HDTV receiver could not control enough of the plasma to allow you to effectively use it. As I recall, it wouldn't let me switch video inputs, The remote with the plasma couldn't control something on the HDTV receiver. Two different universal controlers couldn't control the TV video input switching. I loved the set, but control issues forced me to return it. Others may have had better luck with remotes. Samsung didn't reply to email about the control issue until after I had returned it.
Others here have said the picture is not as good as the equivalent Panasonic. I have never seen the two side by side. I hope I can control it better,
I have a Panasonic on order.
I had the Samsung for about a week and sent it back. The remote with my Samsung DirecTV HDTV receiver could not control enough of the plasma to allow you to effectively use it. As I recall, it wouldn't let me switch video inputs, The remote with the plasma couldn't control something on the HDTV receiver. Two different universal controlers couldn't control the TV video input switching. I loved the set, but control issues forced me to return it. Others may have had better luck with remotes. Samsung didn't reply to email about the control issue until after I had returned it.
Others here have said the picture is not as good as the equivalent Panasonic. I have never seen the two side by side. I hope I can control it better,
I have a Panasonic on order.
Brian@BBY
01-14-2004, 11:05 PM
i have the samsung and absolutely love it.
i previously purchased the daewoo dp-42sm and after going through 2 defective units and no customer service replies to my questions concerning the problems i finally had enough and exchanged it out for the samsung. the samsung does an awesome job on blacks (something plasma tv isn't known to be good for) and while my tv is edtv 480p it has a much better picture than my brothers and my friends hdtv rptv's that are "true-hd" and i've compared them on the same broadcasts (we all have cox hdtv) and they where both shocked when i told them my tv wasn't hdtv. because they both agree'd how good the picture was and my brother couldnt be outdone for long, he went looking at 50" pioneer plasmas at best buy this week.
i personally think dvd 480p quality is good enough. and maybe it's that in the smaller sized 42" screens that the more lines of resolution isn't as critical. either way...im totally happy with my set and im sure most people would be totally satisfied with the samsung as well.
on the matter of the remote, the way the samsung switches through the video modes isn't the conventional way. instead of hitting tv/video repeteadly until you get to the source you want. instead when you hit tv/video a menue comes up with the listed sources and they even say wether or not they are connected. then you scroll to the appropriate choice and your done. so you need a universal remote that has dvd menue selections and a learn function so that after you hit tv/video you can use the navigational buttons to scroll to your choice. i use the sony rm-vl900 and it controlls basically anything in the world infra-red.
i previously purchased the daewoo dp-42sm and after going through 2 defective units and no customer service replies to my questions concerning the problems i finally had enough and exchanged it out for the samsung. the samsung does an awesome job on blacks (something plasma tv isn't known to be good for) and while my tv is edtv 480p it has a much better picture than my brothers and my friends hdtv rptv's that are "true-hd" and i've compared them on the same broadcasts (we all have cox hdtv) and they where both shocked when i told them my tv wasn't hdtv. because they both agree'd how good the picture was and my brother couldnt be outdone for long, he went looking at 50" pioneer plasmas at best buy this week.
i personally think dvd 480p quality is good enough. and maybe it's that in the smaller sized 42" screens that the more lines of resolution isn't as critical. either way...im totally happy with my set and im sure most people would be totally satisfied with the samsung as well.
on the matter of the remote, the way the samsung switches through the video modes isn't the conventional way. instead of hitting tv/video repeteadly until you get to the source you want. instead when you hit tv/video a menue comes up with the listed sources and they even say wether or not they are connected. then you scroll to the appropriate choice and your done. so you need a universal remote that has dvd menue selections and a learn function so that after you hit tv/video you can use the navigational buttons to scroll to your choice. i use the sony rm-vl900 and it controlls basically anything in the world infra-red.
57U
01-15-2004, 12:10 AM
EDTVs are actually excellent for DVDs (which are encoded as 480i by the way) and NTSC signals (they are actually better at those than the HD plasmas).
However, your friend's HDTV must not have been well calibrated if yours looked better on a true HD signal (from a distance that made both images look the same size.)
However, your friend's HDTV must not have been well calibrated if yours looked better on a true HD signal (from a distance that made both images look the same size.)
