Digital TV receiver on cell phone

[robmx]

jlager wrote on AVSFORUM:

HDTV is really growing in Japan, with NHK and the other "minkan"-broadcasters supporting 1080i and 720p over BS Digital. Now I'm curious about CS 110 that PerfecTV is broadcasting over. I Know that WOWOW on BSd offers movies and periodicals in HDTV, but does anyone know whether SkyPerfecTV!2 have any plans to offer HD content (especially non-domestic material).

Any info appreciated (not sure wheter I can expect a reply on this here though

Gear wrote:
I have no information for you but maybe you have information that would be interesting for the US.

Tokyo, Nagoya and Osaka are supposed to begin terrestrial digital TV broadcasting in December. This is to include HDTV and reception by cell phones with a combination of CDMA/ISDB.

For early adopters in the US who are wrestling with reception and installation problems with directional and rotorized antennas it might be interesting to hear of how the broadcaster in Japan is actually going into individual homes to make the transition for each individual customer (wearing white gloves I assume).

Even more interesting to US early adopters would be how do they include a digital receiver and antenna in a cell phone that looks no bigger than many current cell phones that do not receive digital TV.

NEC (http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/July2003/5622.htm)

And the point is that the state of the art when it comes to DTV reception is not ROTORIZED ANTENNAS ON CHIMNEYS AND RECEPTION THAT DOES NOT WORK IN MAJOR CITIES SO THAT THOSE POOR FOLK HAVE TO RELY ON MONOPOLY CABLE.

No the state of the art is digital TV receivers that fit on cell phones with antennas that are 1.5 inches. Within a few years the cost of these receivers will add no more to a cell phone cost than the FM receiver on my current Nokia.

We are being ripped off big time in the US.:)

[tpetters]

STATE OF THE ART is the picture I am watching at this moment.

What you are suggesting once again is turning off that picture so that you can sell a picture that I in a fringe area will NEVER get, right along with the cell phone coverage that doesn't quite reach my home. This in order to provide expanded OTA HDTV services to viewers who already receive expanded HDTV service via cable, while denying any service to the fringe areas which currently rely on OTA only for HDTV.

[robmx]

Originally posted by tpetters
STATE OF THE ART is the picture I am watching at this moment.

What you are suggesting once again is turning off that picture so that you can sell a picture that I in a fringe area will NEVER get, right along with the cell phone coverage that doesn't quite reach my home. This in order to provide expanded OTA HDTV services to viewers who already receive expanded HDTV service via cable, while denying any service to the fringe areas which currently rely on OTA only for HDTV.

Where do you get this stuff? 8-VSB is the modulation that does not have the tools for the "fringe" that you talk about.

ISDB-T that the Japanese are using, DMB-T that the Chinese are using or DVB-T that has been adopted by everyone else all have the tools to deal with poor signal strength whether it be terrain, distance or manmade object related.

They all can handle on-channel repeaters and you can build SFN's with them. 8-VSB users cannot do either except in their dreams. With 8-VSB it is always miracle stuff they are going to figure out in some future dreamland.

These other modern modulation sytems do it now with inexpensive receivers.

We have been had big time in the US.

You want to buy the BS that has been handed out by the incompetents who push 8-VSB go ahead. In the end reality will intrude in the darkest and deepest pits of ignorance and self delusion as one version or another of COFDM pushes 8-VSB aside.

It is just a matter of what the threshold of pain is in the US. Nothing is still what is happening in the OTA US 8-VSB world.

And I have and Sinclair has NEVER advocated turning off 8-VSB. It has been advocated that COFDM be allowed to be used by those broadcasters who would prefer it as an alternative. Those who wanted to could go on using 8-VSB.

Yes that is the same as turning off 8-VSB since no one in their right mind would use 8-VSB if they could use COFDM.

[tpetters]

I live in the fringe area. Don't talk to me from NYC about reception in the fringe area. PAX on analog is just static where I live. But PAX on my digital receiver is clear as day. Half the other analog channels are unwatchably snowy or fuzzy. All of them are perfectly clear on digital EXCEPT the Sinclair WB affiliate, which refuses to turn up the power.

8-VSB is the modulation that does not have the tools for the "fringe" that you talk about
I can believe you, or I can believe what I am watching.

[robmx]

Originally posted by tpetters
I live in the fringe area. Don't talk to me from NYC about reception in the fringe area. PAX on analog is just static where I live. But PAX on my digital receiver is clear as day. Half the other analog channels are unwatchably snowy or fuzzy. All of them are perfectly clear on digital EXCEPT the Sinclair WB affiliate, which refuses to turn up the power.


I can believe you, or I can believe what I am watching.

Your in a fringe area, your definition.
You get reception.

What does that prove? That in your case 8-VSB works.

Doesn't say anything about how much better COFDM would work, how many more of your neighbors and people farther out or close in to the transmitter would be served by COFDM but not 8-VSB.

Your reception says nothing about whether what I am saying is correct or not.

Your logic is flawed. That is you can believe what you see and I can be correct in what I say also. They are not mutually exclusive.

[mikehbkwm]

Rob have you ever thought about getting a C-Band dish...... just a thought.....:rolleyes:

[Freddy Basset]

Over the past 3.5 years, I've seen hundreds of postings commenting about how well their over-the-air HDTV performs.

A lot of people in deep fringe areas have raved about it, many of them 80+ miles away from the transmitter.

As one guy posted, "8VSB HDTV ROCKS"!

[kevinw]

Fred, regarding your PM, If we keep responding he keeps replying. Set your options to ignore and sooner than later the posts will hopfully dry up.

[Ratman]

... 'cause no matter how hard you try, you ain't gonna change his philosophy!

Which reminds me of a song!!:D
(Sung to The Village People's "YMCA")

I watch my broadcasts in 8-V-S-B
8-V-S-B.

The reception is great...
I've accepted the fate...

And... my picture is artifact free!!

I'm lovin' my 8-V-S-B... 8-V-S-B.

C'mon now!!!! Everyone join in!!! Put your hands in the air and sing along!!! (I crack myself up!:p )

[kevinw]

You crack me up:D

[Freddy Basset]

ME TOO!

:D